I argue that to have a decentralized chain, you have to respect property rights.
For sure, including those who are being told "I will move your tokens to Tron" by an attacker.
it seems like Ned sold Justin a fraudulent deal.
Agreed.
One should not need to uphold a contract that the previous owner is tied to
Disagree. Buyer beware.
actually have to proof that the tokens do not belong to Justin
Disagree. It was a temporary measure to determine his intentions so we could act according. The AMA was a joke and didn't answer any of the many questions we prepared beforehand and delivered to Eli. Communication was not happening and the threat to toke holders was very real.
A prior official legal document between Steemit Inc and the witnesses
Blockchains don't sign legal documents. Code enforces the rules, not governments.
Like an contractual agreement between Steemit Inc and Co. This precedes issue precedes Justin Sun.
This, I agree with. The exact use of these tokens were not clarified as they should be (such as the features added in HF14 not implemented)
some sort of legal document
Again, no. Come on, man. You have "ancapCrypto" twitter handle and you're running to mommy and daddy government and their violent legal system? Nah.
The blame should fall on the previous owner for selling a property that is attained under sketchy conditions.
Not how buyer beware works. You are responsible for what you buy. Due diligence matters. Justin didn't do that. His bad.
Afterall, the witnesses are claiming that those tokens that Ned/Steemit Inc holds dont belong to them instead the community.
Some claimed this. I didn't. I wanted clarity from the new property holder. I was a consensus witness at the time.
To freeze property that was brought legitimately is a clear violation of property rights. This is what i am against.
If someone attacks you (or directly threatens to attack you) using their own property (knife, gun, etc), are you within your rights to prevent the effective use of that property to protect yourself according to the rules of the voluntary system (i.e. DPoS and code)?
The witnesses started the this by freezing his tokens. A violation of property was first committed by the witnesses.
Disagree. This started as a threat from Justin Sun and Tron telling people what will happen to their property without their consent.
Acting to protect your assets is not wrong. It is disingenuous to blame Justin but not the witnesses. It is them who first started this.
The token holders demanded the witnesses protect their property from a Tron take over. They voted out witnesses who didn't do this (such as Tim Cliff)
In this case, the application of seller beware would be more appropriate. It would be consistent to hound Ned. Ned should be fully responsible for whatever happened. This is tracing the whole problem back to its roots.
I disagree with this premise and this is probably why we have differences. Cryptocurrency is the fullest expression of property and individual freedom. It is immutable, permissionless and you truly own something you can call yours. Banks cant freeze your funds for no apparent reason, government cannot impede your economic progress if they don't agree with you. It is truly a marvel to behold. For the first time in history, we actually have a way to transact with one another without having to do so over a medium that is controlled: the fiat currency.
Hmm interesting, there seems to be a contradiction between a video freedom point has posted and this. I will read up more on it when i have the time😀. My hands are tied these days. I have a upcoming thesis to write for my masters program.
Glad to hear from another agorist as few as they come by these days.
Stay safe out there. The COVID virus seems to be decimating numbers. Always be mindful of your personal hygiene.
Otherwise, i shall end this off. Peace