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We were not aware they did that, and we genuinely appreciate the transparency and support. We know the moderators had no involvement in the ban itself. As of now, we have received no explanation for why the ban occurred, but we remain hopeful the account will be restored.</p>\n\n<p>As we reflect on our coverage over the past several years of Norway’s “The Price We Pay” process, it’s important to name what this case has always been about. Jehovah’s Witnesses are not challenging the State out of principle; they are contesting the loss of tax subsidies and public legitimacy tied to practices that harm children and families.</p>\n\n<p>In 2024, the organization introduced surface-level rule adjustments that appear designed to reduce scrutiny rather than address underlying harm. Throughout the Supreme Court hearings, their attorney repeatedly attempted to reframe and redefine lived realities, the same realities millions of former members recognize immediately.</p>\n\n<p>We know those realities well:</p>\n\n<p>being avoided, shunned, or cut off by friends and family;</p>\n\n<p>being baptized at a young age;</p>\n\n<p>feeling pressure to conform through service, obedience, and a rigid lifestyle—because love, connection, and family are conditional.</p>\n\n<p>That was the price we paid for being brought into this organization.</p>\n\n<p>Now, for the first time at a state level, the organization is being asked to face consequences. This does not erase the harm done. It does not undo lost childhoods, broken families, or decades of silence. But it does matter. A corporate religious entity that enforces human-rights-restrictive practices should not receive automatic recognition or public funding under the banner of religion.</p>\n\n<p>The courage shown by the many former Jehovah’s Witnesses who have testified, attended hearings, and consistently informed the public cannot be overstated. They have done this not out of bitterness, but out of care for children, for families, and for truth. AvoidJW is honored to stand alongside them and will continue to support this work in every way we can.</p>\n\n<p>Our final article in The Price We Pay series will be published when the verdict is delivered.</p>\n\n<p>Either way the verdict goes, the record has been made. 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{"approved_at_utc":null,"subreddit":"exjw","selftext":"Pics made problems when I only update from phone. I deleted my initial post and will do this without pictures for now. \n\nThe day has come, the end of the journey.\n\nIt's 5:15am and I have given up on sleeping, I will get ready and go sit down in front of the courthouse.\n\nThis day will mark the end of a process that has taken at least seven years up against the government, and for my sake, 48 years of life with this organisation as a huge part of it.\n\nI'll update this thread now and then, follow me here if you want to be a part of it.\n\nI'm at the spot at 05:50 with Eydis, we have the place for ourselves. We'll get in!\n\nAt 6:20 we're 4 Ex-Jehovas Witnesses in the line, no JWs. We beat them so far.\n\nAt 07:00 the first JW showed up. Poor thing is alone here with 6 filthy apostates.\n\nSpanish exjw Superstar Sorayis arrived. Flew in from London to be with us\n\n7:18 and there's a convention. 70+JWs lined up\n\nWe're inside! All apostates got seated, we're at least 12-15 as I know of.\n\nFor your viewing pleasure I've shamelessly taken the seat most visible on stream. Say hi if you see me.\n\nI'll try to not freak out for every lie.\n\nYesss.... Today starts glorious, the State will present evidence on how WT uses the word Shun. This was sent to her by me on Friday.\n\nWe're already ahead. Ryssdal has to fall back on his lies\n\nGoing through testimonials now. First JW witnesses, ofc they brought people that wasn't loyal regarding shunning as evidence that shunning is voluntary.\n\nI expect a rough hour or two ahead as Ryssdal might discredit the rest of us as ho normally do.\n\nQuoting JW research about JW saying that all are happy and no child ever feared anything, but were constantly haplyu, always smelling good, and never had any holes in their teeth. Ish. You get the point.\n\nRyssdal spends a lot of time talking about why negative social control is not criminal in any way. It's a diversion, as the State has never claim that anything here is criminal. It's about breaching terms for getting funding, not crime.\n\nLots of nonsense about how glorious life as JW is. Most of what he's saying is pretty irrelevant regarding the arguments for stopping funding. Nobody has made any attempt on banning any of the stuff he's talking about..\n\nI'll not take too many notes, just letting you know that I'm here..\n\nJudge confronting on the difference between criminal law and what we're discussing here. Asking for a comment.\n\nFirst break. I got to shake Ryssdals hand.\n\nInteraction: Ryssdal sees me, recognises me from our three testimonials. He's smiling and says \"you're still paying attention?\"\n\nI smile back, shake his hand and say \" yes, this is very exciting to follow through.\"\n\nHe's an actor, paid to play. I have no beef with him.\n\nHe's now talking about the right to worship and freedom of religion. Not sure how relevant this is, as JWs have been perfectly free to do whatever they want, even those last years.\n\nHe's arguing that the withdrawal of funding is an insult against the individual member because of stigmatism and therefore a breach of the religious freedom. Far fetched, but still. It's not carved in stone how this will end.\n\nJudge asks Ryssdal an interesting question regarding ECHR verdicts, how they refer to \"substantial\" damage. What does substantial mean. It's pretty clear that the judges will have to consider if the lost funding is a \"substantial\" breach of human rights. Is lack of tax payer money a substantial attack in religious freedom? This will be a key element for the judges.\n\nSome feedback? Do you read this? From where? Let me know. How is my hair?\n\nLots of repetitions so far. I'm not repeating to much details, he going up against the claims from the State. Trying to make the claim regarding psychological violence wrong and off the rails compared to the rest of the world.\n\nThis the difficult stuff for those being in front. Whenever you're ahead of the flock, they can just point to all other countries and say that they don't act this way, so why do you?\n\nHe's talking a lot about ECHR verdicts regarding \"registration\". But an important note here is that this word means totally different things in different cases. In most of these cases the word \"registration\" has huge legal implications. That's not the case in Norway.\n\nNow using the ECHR case between JW and Russia. This is a problematic case, ofc Russian ban is totally off the rails compared to the Norwegian case, but still. He uses parts of it. A problem in this case is that Russia didn't bother arguing in this case at all, they were in the process of pulling out of the ECHR, so the verdict has lots of passages where JW could just argue alone without any objections. This makes this verdict very problematic.\n\nOur favourite judge goes into it and makes the case that the Russia case is something totally different. She's team Apostate. Ryssdal says that the principles apply anyway, as the accusations were the same in Russia as in Norway.\n\nPlease lift your glasses for our favourite judge.\n\nRyssdal is trying to paint it like the State is trying to pressure JW on their beliefs and doctrines, to force them to change their beliefs.\n\nI have received a request from the national broadcaster NRK who will film an interview for the main evening news tonight. Will do it in the lunch break. Wish me luck.\n\nHe's talking about how people now don't can marry in the Kingdom Hall, refers to how bad it ls. Misrepresentation, as the ceremony is just the same as it has always been, just with an extra signing of a document.\n\nNow talking about personal persecution, and harassment. Hate Crime. I don't really see how anything has changed, the stuff he refers to is stuff that has always been happening. School, bullying, some angry people in field service etc. Nothing new.\n\nNow he's referring to the Helsinki Committee, the letter they sent. I really hate how they folded for WT lobbying, it's a shame.\n\nJudge confronts Ryssdal if the terms for funding in itself is a breach of the constitution or human rights. This is important.\n\nRyssdal admits that the terms in itself are legally ok. This removes a lot of his own arguments. The judge killed a lot of the last hour with that question.\n\nLunch. I have two interviews scheduled with media. Got to run. Hope someone manages to get me some food somehow\n\nHoly shit, being interviewed in the break was hard. Got a nervous breakdown after, luckily not caught on stream. I'm almost back on my feet.\n\nNow we have 45 more minutes with Ryssdal, then the State will have som time after the next break. Will be really exciting.\n\nNow he's into the part where he's going up against me. Curious to hear. Those who had disgruntled former members on their card for today can drink now\n\nThis segment is bad from Ryssdal. He's just cherry picking some random answers from the administration to pretend nobody made real investigation. This is nonsense, they spent almost a year investigating this.\n\nOnce again we have a judge asking and specifying that the law includes the term encouraging psychological violence etc. Not just committing it. It's pretty clear that this is important for the judges.\n\nThis goes against many of Ryssdals arguments.\n\nThere is no doubt that we do have a valid chance of winning this. It's still open, but no clear path to victory for one side. Ryssdal pretends that this is an obvious case. It's not.\n\nWe're on. I've got a little statement now. Can you read it?\n\nThe lie about Shunning exposed and filed as evidence! Love it\n\nLiv is going through how the expetions JW mention doesn't remove the threat. That the examples of those not following the rules on shunning can't be used against their own rules against shunning.\n\nAgain, she quotes Geoffrey Jackson from ARC, what he said about shunning. There's no flexibility...\n\nThe fact that some people are sloppy regarding shunning shouldn't be used as evidence from JW\n\nLiv goes back to the core. What does the JW instruction say. What does it mean regarding the right to leave. Judge asks a little about what it means regarding the right to leave in practice.\n\nIt's going to be an important issue. What is freedom to leave?\n\nOur favourite judge smiles warmly to Liv while asking her, but looks like she wants to choke Ryssdal and eat his liver every time she questions him.\n\nGood point from Liv. The State can't be responsible to prevent abuse, but at the same time have to collect evidence of abuse first, to prove that abuse must be prevented. This is an impossible circle.\n\nFavourite Judge asks what the purpose of withholding funding is. Do the State want to change their practice, or is this about securing the publics faith in where the tax money goes.\n\nLiv says that the law is intended to secure the publics faith in that the tax payers money don't support abuse. That's the key point. But at the same time the State would like to see religions stop abusing human rights, of course.\n\nI feel like our favourite judge very often asks leading questions that helps our side. There is no doubt for me that she leans towards the State. The other four is impossible to read.\n\nLiv is getting close to the finish line. 30 more minutes, of this endless road.\n\nLiv tries to go through all the smokescreens from Ryssdal. Kind of difficult to say how strong. Deep law this.\n\nLiv is done. Four years of work in this case. Every exjw in the world should remember you for decades.\n\nRyssdal then has the right for a short closure. Trying to use his name and experience to frame this as an obvious case. Uses loaded language.\n\nLots of stuff about ECHR article 9 today\n\nWe're done! Over to expenses.\nSadly not defined what the amounts are.\n\nExpenses for all trials are on the table, but they don't say the total amount out loud.\n\nWe're done!\n\nI'm done.\n\nOf our elaborate plans, the end\n\nOf everything that stands, the end\n\nNo safety or surprise, the end\n\nI'll never look into your eyes again","author_fullname":"t2_13lcbzt","saved":false,"mod_reason_title":null,"gilded":0,"clicked":false,"title":"Norway Day 3 - No safety or surprise - The End","link_flair_richtext":[{"e":"text","t":"News"}],"subreddit_name_prefixed":"r/exjw","hidden":false,"pwls":7,"link_flair_css_class":"news","downs":0,"thumbnail_height":null,"top_awarded_type":null,"hide_score":false,"name":"t3_1qzv9r7","quarantine":false,"link_flair_text_color":"dark","upvote_ratio":1.0,"author_flair_background_color":null,"subreddit_type":"public","ups":583,"total_awards_received":0,"media_embed":{},"thumbnail_width":null,"author_flair_template_id":"9d802a98-b766-11e6-a40a-0e1cfceb9f30","is_original_content":false,"user_reports":[],"secure_media":null,"is_reddit_media_domain":false,"is_meta":false,"category":null,"secure_media_embed":{},"link_flair_text":"News","can_mod_post":false,"score":583,"approved_by":null,"is_created_from_ads_ui":false,"author_premium":false,"thumbnail":"self","edited":1770644240.0,"author_flair_css_class":null,"author_flair_richtext":[{"e":"text","t":"<-----King of the North!"}],"gildings":{},"content_categories":null,"is_self":true,"mod_note":null,"created":1770613355.0,"link_flair_type":"richtext","wls":7,"removed_by_category":null,"banned_by":null,"author_flair_type":"richtext","domain":"self.exjw","allow_live_comments":false,"selftext_html":"<!-- SC_OFF --><div class=\"md\"><p>Pics made problems when I only update from phone. I deleted my initial post and will do this without pictures for now. </p>\n\n<p>The day has come, the end of the journey.</p>\n\n<p>It&#39;s 5:15am and I have given up on sleeping, I will get ready and go sit down in front of the courthouse.</p>\n\n<p>This day will mark the end of a process that has taken at least seven years up against the government, and for my sake, 48 years of life with this organisation as a huge part of it.</p>\n\n<p>I&#39;ll update this thread now and then, follow me here if you want to be a part of it.</p>\n\n<p>I&#39;m at the spot at 05:50 with Eydis, we have the place for ourselves. We&#39;ll get in!</p>\n\n<p>At 6:20 we&#39;re 4 Ex-Jehovas Witnesses in the line, no JWs. We beat them so far.</p>\n\n<p>At 07:00 the first JW showed up. Poor thing is alone here with 6 filthy apostates.</p>\n\n<p>Spanish exjw Superstar Sorayis arrived. Flew in from London to be with us</p>\n\n<p>7:18 and there&#39;s a convention. 70+JWs lined up</p>\n\n<p>We&#39;re inside! All apostates got seated, we&#39;re at least 12-15 as I know of.</p>\n\n<p>For your viewing pleasure I&#39;ve shamelessly taken the seat most visible on stream. Say hi if you see me.</p>\n\n<p>I&#39;ll try to not freak out for every lie.</p>\n\n<p>Yesss.... Today starts glorious, the State will present evidence on how WT uses the word Shun. This was sent to her by me on Friday.</p>\n\n<p>We&#39;re already ahead. Ryssdal has to fall back on his lies</p>\n\n<p>Going through testimonials now. First JW witnesses, ofc they brought people that wasn&#39;t loyal regarding shunning as evidence that shunning is voluntary.</p>\n\n<p>I expect a rough hour or two ahead as Ryssdal might discredit the rest of us as ho normally do.</p>\n\n<p>Quoting JW research about JW saying that all are happy and no child ever feared anything, but were constantly haplyu, always smelling good, and never had any holes in their teeth. Ish. You get the point.</p>\n\n<p>Ryssdal spends a lot of time talking about why negative social control is not criminal in any way. It&#39;s a diversion, as the State has never claim that anything here is criminal. It&#39;s about breaching terms for getting funding, not crime.</p>\n\n<p>Lots of nonsense about how glorious life as JW is. Most of what he&#39;s saying is pretty irrelevant regarding the arguments for stopping funding. Nobody has made any attempt on banning any of the stuff he&#39;s talking about..</p>\n\n<p>I&#39;ll not take too many notes, just letting you know that I&#39;m here..</p>\n\n<p>Judge confronting on the difference between criminal law and what we&#39;re discussing here. Asking for a comment.</p>\n\n<p>First break. I got to shake Ryssdals hand.</p>\n\n<p>Interaction: Ryssdal sees me, recognises me from our three testimonials. He&#39;s smiling and says &quot;you&#39;re still paying attention?&quot;</p>\n\n<p>I smile back, shake his hand and say &quot; yes, this is very exciting to follow through.&quot;</p>\n\n<p>He&#39;s an actor, paid to play. I have no beef with him.</p>\n\n<p>He&#39;s now talking about the right to worship and freedom of religion. Not sure how relevant this is, as JWs have been perfectly free to do whatever they want, even those last years.</p>\n\n<p>He&#39;s arguing that the withdrawal of funding is an insult against the individual member because of stigmatism and therefore a breach of the religious freedom. Far fetched, but still. It&#39;s not carved in stone how this will end.</p>\n\n<p>Judge asks Ryssdal an interesting question regarding ECHR verdicts, how they refer to &quot;substantial&quot; damage. What does substantial mean. It&#39;s pretty clear that the judges will have to consider if the lost funding is a &quot;substantial&quot; breach of human rights. Is lack of tax payer money a substantial attack in religious freedom? This will be a key element for the judges.</p>\n\n<p>Some feedback? Do you read this? From where? Let me know. How is my hair?</p>\n\n<p>Lots of repetitions so far. I&#39;m not repeating to much details, he going up against the claims from the State. Trying to make the claim regarding psychological violence wrong and off the rails compared to the rest of the world.</p>\n\n<p>This the difficult stuff for those being in front. Whenever you&#39;re ahead of the flock, they can just point to all other countries and say that they don&#39;t act this way, so why do you?</p>\n\n<p>He&#39;s talking a lot about ECHR verdicts regarding &quot;registration&quot;. But an important note here is that this word means totally different things in different cases. In most of these cases the word &quot;registration&quot; has huge legal implications. That&#39;s not the case in Norway.</p>\n\n<p>Now using the ECHR case between JW and Russia. This is a problematic case, ofc Russian ban is totally off the rails compared to the Norwegian case, but still. He uses parts of it. A problem in this case is that Russia didn&#39;t bother arguing in this case at all, they were in the process of pulling out of the ECHR, so the verdict has lots of passages where JW could just argue alone without any objections. This makes this verdict very problematic.</p>\n\n<p>Our favourite judge goes into it and makes the case that the Russia case is something totally different. She&#39;s team Apostate. Ryssdal says that the principles apply anyway, as the accusations were the same in Russia as in Norway.</p>\n\n<p>Please lift your glasses for our favourite judge.</p>\n\n<p>Ryssdal is trying to paint it like the State is trying to pressure JW on their beliefs and doctrines, to force them to change their beliefs.</p>\n\n<p>I have received a request from the national broadcaster NRK who will film an interview for the main evening news tonight. Will do it in the lunch break. Wish me luck.</p>\n\n<p>He&#39;s talking about how people now don&#39;t can marry in the Kingdom Hall, refers to how bad it ls. Misrepresentation, as the ceremony is just the same as it has always been, just with an extra signing of a document.</p>\n\n<p>Now talking about personal persecution, and harassment. Hate Crime. I don&#39;t really see how anything has changed, the stuff he refers to is stuff that has always been happening. School, bullying, some angry people in field service etc. Nothing new.</p>\n\n<p>Now he&#39;s referring to the Helsinki Committee, the letter they sent. I really hate how they folded for WT lobbying, it&#39;s a shame.</p>\n\n<p>Judge confronts Ryssdal if the terms for funding in itself is a breach of the constitution or human rights. This is important.</p>\n\n<p>Ryssdal admits that the terms in itself are legally ok. This removes a lot of his own arguments. The judge killed a lot of the last hour with that question.</p>\n\n<p>Lunch. I have two interviews scheduled with media. Got to run. Hope someone manages to get me some food somehow</p>\n\n<p>Holy shit, being interviewed in the break was hard. Got a nervous breakdown after, luckily not caught on stream. I&#39;m almost back on my feet.</p>\n\n<p>Now we have 45 more minutes with Ryssdal, then the State will have som time after the next break. Will be really exciting.</p>\n\n<p>Now he&#39;s into the part where he&#39;s going up against me. Curious to hear. Those who had disgruntled former members on their card for today can drink now</p>\n\n<p>This segment is bad from Ryssdal. He&#39;s just cherry picking some random answers from the administration to pretend nobody made real investigation. This is nonsense, they spent almost a year investigating this.</p>\n\n<p>Once again we have a judge asking and specifying that the law includes the term encouraging psychological violence etc. Not just committing it. It&#39;s pretty clear that this is important for the judges.</p>\n\n<p>This goes against many of Ryssdals arguments.</p>\n\n<p>There is no doubt that we do have a valid chance of winning this. It&#39;s still open, but no clear path to victory for one side. Ryssdal pretends that this is an obvious case. It&#39;s not.</p>\n\n<p>We&#39;re on. I&#39;ve got a little statement now. Can you read it?</p>\n\n<p>The lie about Shunning exposed and filed as evidence! Love it</p>\n\n<p>Liv is going through how the expetions JW mention doesn&#39;t remove the threat. That the examples of those not following the rules on shunning can&#39;t be used against their own rules against shunning.</p>\n\n<p>Again, she quotes Geoffrey Jackson from ARC, what he said about shunning. There&#39;s no flexibility...</p>\n\n<p>The fact that some people are sloppy regarding shunning shouldn&#39;t be used as evidence from JW</p>\n\n<p>Liv goes back to the core. What does the JW instruction say. What does it mean regarding the right to leave. Judge asks a little about what it means regarding the right to leave in practice.</p>\n\n<p>It&#39;s going to be an important issue. What is freedom to leave?</p>\n\n<p>Our favourite judge smiles warmly to Liv while asking her, but looks like she wants to choke Ryssdal and eat his liver every time she questions him.</p>\n\n<p>Good point from Liv. The State can&#39;t be responsible to prevent abuse, but at the same time have to collect evidence of abuse first, to prove that abuse must be prevented. This is an impossible circle.</p>\n\n<p>Favourite Judge asks what the purpose of withholding funding is. Do the State want to change their practice, or is this about securing the publics faith in where the tax money goes.</p>\n\n<p>Liv says that the law is intended to secure the publics faith in that the tax payers money don&#39;t support abuse. That&#39;s the key point. But at the same time the State would like to see religions stop abusing human rights, of course.</p>\n\n<p>I feel like our favourite judge very often asks leading questions that helps our side. There is no doubt for me that she leans towards the State. The other four is impossible to read.</p>\n\n<p>Liv is getting close to the finish line. 30 more minutes, of this endless road.</p>\n\n<p>Liv tries to go through all the smokescreens from Ryssdal. 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Is it the individual JW who incites abuse, or is it the organization?</p>\n\n<p>He then says that the Jehovah&#39;s Witnesses, as organization, don&#39;t support or incite anything, except to follow the bible. Nothing else.</p>\n\n<p>Now the judge lays a little trap for him, and asks about the publications Ryssdal himself uses as evidence, where it says that the Elders are to handle stuff gently.</p>\n\n<p>She then asks Ryssdal &quot;Are these instructions support or incitement to be gentle?&quot;</p>\n\n<p>Ryssdal falls right into the trap and says &quot;YES!&quot;</p>\n\n<p>Then the judge asks &quot;Then why don&#39;t all the other stuff written in the material relevant in the same way (shepherd-book, rules, regulations, shunning demands etc (my notes)) when it comes to social distancing?</p>\n\n<p>Is that not support or a request in the same way?</p>\n\n<p><strong>Ryssdal then says that the request for social distancing ONLY comes from the Bible, not from the organisation in any way. And that it is only a personal decision how individuals decide to interact with the surroundings and follow the Bible. The organisation has nothing to do with that.</strong></p>\n\n<p>Judge then again: Are you really saying that nothing of the instructions in the casefile, in all the publications we have as evidence, are valid?</p>\n\n<p>Ryssdal then : &quot;Hmm.... What publications?....I&#39;ve never seen any publications....?&quot; (Funny af)</p>\n\n<p>Judge: &quot;The texts we have that spesifically mention social distancing, do you mean there they don&#39;t request or incite social distancing?&quot;</p>\n\n<p>Ryssdal &quot;those texts are just something the readers will have to consider regarding their own beliefs.&quot;, then goes back to the Bible instead (ignores the core question&quot;)</p>\n\n<p>Refers back to the Bible and says that the individual must consider what the Bible says (goes back to pretending WT never said anything)</p>\n\n<p>Judge: &quot;So the material (from WT) does not encourage, request or incite any form of social distancing from family members?&quot;</p>\n\n<p>Ryssdal &quot; that&#39;s just up to each family, what they find natural&quot;</p>\n\n<p>Ryssdal then accepts the fact that JW have a culture and practice for social distancing.</p>\n\n<p>Judge then: &quot;Do you take responsibility for the material presented to court, WT articles and Keep youreslf in God&#39;s Love etc, , regarding the instructions of social distancing?&quot;</p>\n\n<p>Ryssdal : &quot; 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{"approved_at_utc":null,"subreddit":"exjw","selftext":"[https://www.vl.no/nyheter/andre-dag-i-hoyesterett-staten-trekker-en-kanin-opp-av-hatten/10189494](https://www.vl.no/nyheter/andre-dag-i-hoyesterett-staten-trekker-en-kanin-opp-av-hatten/10189494)\n\nhttps://preview.redd.it/lxd2u1dmhwhg1.png?width=2116&format=png&auto=webp&s=3249d79bae9539b6a0de5f93d4ae078c3a71e289\n\n# Second day in the Supreme Court: – The state pulls a rabbit out of the hat\n\nJEHOVAH'S WITNESSES: The state has no basis for describing what is happening in Jehovah's Witnesses as psychological violence, says the religious community's lawyer.\n\n\n\nTHIRD ROUND: The case between Jehovah's Witnesses and the state will be heard in the Supreme Court on February 5-7, 2026 to decide whether the religious community should lose state subsidies and registration. 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She continued her argument for why the Borgarting Court of Appeal was wrong, when the court in March concluded that Jehovah's Witnesses cannot be denied state subsidies under the new Religious Act.\n\n\n\n**– Social distancing is not something they invented themselves**\n\nAfter lunch, it was time to hear the religious community's view on the matter.\n\n– Their practice of social distancing is not something they invented themselves, said Ryssdal.\n\nHe referred to 1 Cor 5:11, where Paul writes \"that you should not associate with anyone who is called a brother, but is sexually immoral or greedy, or an idolater, a slanderer, a drunkard, or an extortioner. With such a one you should not eat.\"\n\n– This is the basis for what the state calls \"shunning,\" which is a term used by opponents of Jehovah's Witnesses, but which they do not use themselves. In the Norwegian context, the term \"stop associating\" is used instead, said the religious community's lawyer.\n\n\n\n**– Easy to leave**\n\nAn important point is whether the Jehovah's Witnesses' practice towards former members is so burdensome that the religious community violates the Religious Act's requirement that one should be able to freely leave.\n\nhttps://preview.redd.it/1452fqswhwhg1.png?width=706&format=png&auto=webp&s=83dc1efd19ec86c30f29d2df4d9d08814a17df81\n\nJEHOVAH'S WITNESSES: Lawyer Anders Ryssdal, here in Borgarting Court of Appeal in March 2025. Sindre Deschington\n\nRyssdal believes it is clear that leaving can be done easily by sending a letter.\n\n\n\n– There are no indications that it is difficult to leave Jehovah's Witnesses, said the religious community's lawyer Anders Christian Stray Ryssdal in the Supreme Court on Friday.\n\n\n\nAnd although the process may be experienced as unpleasant by those who choose to leave, Ryssdal believes this discomfort is far from what can be interpreted as \"psychological violence\".\n\n\n\nSection 6 of the Religious Act states that the state can refuse subsidies to religious communities that \"exercise violence or coercion\" or \"violate the rights of children\". The state has argued that the religious community's practice of limiting contact with children who break out or are excluded is so burdensome that it falls under the Convention on the Rights of the Child's obligation to protect children from \"psychological violence.\"\n\n\n\nThis is completely wrong, says the religious community's lawyer.\n\n\n\n\\- The term \"psychological violence\" does not apply to Jehovah's Witnesses, and it is not a good factual description of what is happening. And even though it may be unpleasant to break with a religious community, this is something that must be tolerated, Ryssdal said in court.\n\n\n\nThe lawyer believes that the state is taking great liberties when they claim that the term applies to the religious community's practice, and that it is used in a way that can describe almost any action that has an undesirable consequence for a child.\n\n\n\nEven though it may be unpleasant to break with a religious community, this is something that must be tolerated.\n\n\n\n\\- Is this then a legally predictable definition? Or is the term “psychological violence” a rabbit the state pulls out of a hat when it sees a practice it doesn’t like?\n\nRyssdal himself kept the question:\n\n– We would say it’s the latter.\n\n\n\n**– Not a balloon that you can fill with whatever you want**\n\nSimilarly, Ryssdal believes it is wrong when the state claims that children who commit norm violations are exposed to negative social control. He believes the state places this label on practices that naturally follow from raising children in a faith.\n\n\n\n– The term “negative social control” is not a balloon that any government can fill with whatever content they want. It is intended to describe far more serious actions.\n\n\n\nThere has been disagreement in the courts about whether exclusion of children is something that happens in practice, or whether the religious community’s guidelines on this point are “dormant”.\n\n\n\nRyssdal pointed out that the examples that have been published are from before the current Religion Act came into force in 2022.\n\n\n\n– If you are going to be affected by the law, you cannot bring up things that happened before it came into force.\n\nhttps://preview.redd.it/32zuzks1iwhg1.png?width=2116&format=png&auto=webp&s=170ddc67dc513d2b013a175b69f18b8ba3723ae1\n\nTHE STATE: Liv Inger Gjone Gabrielsen is leading the case for the state. 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We will still actively post articles on our site, write daily Articles on Norway for the SC hearing, and share on our X accounts. If anyone would like to stay in touch or needs to connect with us directly, you can reach us at [AvoidJW@protonmail.com](mailto:AvoidJW@protonmail.com). \n\nThank you\n\n[https://avoidjw.org/court/norway-supreme-court-day-2-the-price-we-pay-jehovahs-witness/](https://avoidjw.org/court/norway-supreme-court-day-2-the-price-we-pay-jehovahs-witness/) \n\nhttps://preview.redd.it/9wnzqlppxvhg1.png?width=482&format=png&auto=webp&s=15b8f1951cc56a0439fd3477a331a9205e897d4c\n\n  \n  \n  \nListening to Ryssdal repeatedly insisting that leaving Jehovah’s Witnesses is straightforward, pressure-free, and largely uneventful, a claim he returned to several times in different forms was bold.\n\nHe stood in court and said, *“No one worries about being excluded,”* and that *“family ties are not broken.”* That statement alone tells survivors everything they need to know. 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Even the subreddit mods have indicated they’re unsure what specifically triggered it. The timing has been rough; it happened right as we were preparing Norway-focused coverage to help people understand the Supreme Court hearing, and minutes after we shared the mass Norway update. We don’t yet know if or when we will return to Reddit. If by a miracle it is recovered, wonderful. We didn’t want to disappear without acknowledging the support and care that so many of you have shown. It meant a great deal. We also want to thank Jan Nilsen for being a good friend and supporter of our work. The Watchtower can’t stop us in all ways. We will still actively post articles on our site, write daily Articles on Norway for the SC hearing, and share on our X accounts. If anyone would like to stay in touch or needs to connect with us directly, you can reach us at [<a href=\"mailto:AvoidJW@protonmail.com\">AvoidJW@protonmail.com</a>](mailto:<a href=\"mailto:AvoidJW@protonmail.com\">AvoidJW@protonmail.com</a>). </p>\n\n<p>Thank you</p>\n\n<p><a href=\"https://avoidjw.org/court/norway-supreme-court-day-2-the-price-we-pay-jehovahs-witness/\">https://avoidjw.org/court/norway-supreme-court-day-2-the-price-we-pay-jehovahs-witness/</a> </p>\n\n<p><a href=\"https://preview.redd.it/9wnzqlppxvhg1.png?width=482&amp;format=png&amp;auto=webp&amp;s=15b8f1951cc56a0439fd3477a331a9205e897d4c\">https://preview.redd.it/9wnzqlppxvhg1.png?width=482&amp;format=png&amp;auto=webp&amp;s=15b8f1951cc56a0439fd3477a331a9205e897d4c</a></p>\n\n<p>Listening to Ryssdal repeatedly insisting that leaving Jehovah’s Witnesses is straightforward, pressure-free, and largely uneventful, a claim he returned to several times in different forms was bold.</p>\n\n<p>He stood in court and said, <em>“No one worries about being excluded,”</em> and that <em>“family ties are not broken.”</em> That statement alone tells survivors everything they need to know. If shunning “doesn’t exist,” then why have thousands of former members independently described the same loss of parents, siblings, and children? Denial isn’t evidence. It’s a strategy. 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{"approved_at_utc":null,"subreddit":"exjw","selftext":"**Day 2 - I am at work and only listen in. Will rewatch recording later and fill in.**\n\nIt will not be as excessive as yesterday, sorry. But the stream will be live and people can watch and comment and translate. Great if someone can just translate everything in threads like yesterday.\n\nhttps://preview.redd.it/pcjzc6koxthg1.png?width=1280&format=png&auto=webp&s=2d738e7cac5d0d2a2c7c8a54246373a59cb58592\n\nReports on site says that there was a whole line of JWs already around 0700. But fear not, we do have at least four/five EXJW inside atm, send them some appriciation for their efforts. It's cold af in Oslo this morning.\n\nThe Podcaster/Youtuber Frank Flemming (Udstødt) got a press seat.\n\n[EXJW from Iceland in da house](https://preview.redd.it/inr9ano7ythg1.png?width=1600&format=png&auto=webp&s=9282b97c0ab9a0f140b13a3053644285870d3734)\n\nhttps://preview.redd.it/skdke2g8zthg1.png?width=1600&format=png&auto=webp&s=a9152f78a104153d63345bee58b3caa4155f689b\n\nFocus now this morning will be religious freedom and ECHR - presedence. Is denial of funding an attack on religious freedom.\n\nJoni from Finland is in the center of the Stream with his blue \"shunning is a crime\" - sweather. Well done, Joni!\n\nShowing that the State has absolute right to intervene and interact with religious organisations when needed. This is not a breach of religious freedom. You can have the believes you want, but not act any way you want.\n\nNow there will be a legal segment with quotes from ECHR-verdicts to prove that.\n\nImportant issue, key point: **The State can not intervene in reiligious questions. Like doctrine, faith, believes, how to worship. Behaviour and how they act and treat people is another thing. Here the State has every right.**\n\nQuestion from judge: Dows it mean anything if the shunning is motivated by religious belief or not.\n\nAnswer from Liv: It depends on how the State does it. If the State were to interpret the Bible if their doctrine were correct, it would be wrong. But the State only look at the practice in itself, if the actions are in breach of human rights. The state don't care about doctrine or belief, or what the bible says.\n\n[Joni from Finland with his \\\\\"Shunning is a Crime\\\\\" shirt. Well done!](https://preview.redd.it/ywtb1dne4uhg1.png?width=1152&format=png&auto=webp&s=70de9057ff267352e2bdd46cf55615cb05d177df)\n\nExtensive explanation of ECHR. I'll leave this for later articles. Liv makes perfect sense.\n\nRegarding matrimonial privilege : There is no such thing as a demand that the State gives every religion this privilege. The marriage can easily be legalized through the State's system, and the ceremony be done religiously.\n\n[Joni! ](https://preview.redd.it/b2aw9izp7uhg1.png?width=2048&format=png&auto=webp&s=884f89bec5b0a0dbd857547d91e18429061de3de)\n\nVery important point from Liv right now: The word REGISTRATION means totally different things in different scenarios. You can't just compare cases when registration means totally different things. The ECHR-verdicts WT shows to means legal rights etc etc, not the same thing that the Norwegian registration is about. In Norway they still keep all their normal legal rights, like ownership if halls, right to worship etc etc even without the registration we're talking about in this case.\n\nSorry, lost a couple of hours. Work. Reports on the lost hours will come from other sources.\n\nRyssdal is now on,\n\n11:34  \n**Ryssdal claims in court that Jehovah's Witnesses never use the word SHUN.** Sayst that the word is invented by apostates.\n\nhttps://preview.redd.it/ze6tonapwuhg1.png?width=758&format=png&auto=webp&s=d8152e008fa5bae81c703bc546e8e0ba8fe67310\n\n**11:40 Ryssdal claims that WT never to any surveillance or watch what their members do. Whatever action they do is between them and God. The rules are never enforced in any way**\n\nAfter the break, at 12:34 Ryssdal has a long explanation on why DF doesn't affect familyrelations. smh.\n\n12:40 - Long rant about how the nazis persecuted JW. Ryssdal claims there's 20 millions JW worldwide.\n\nKeep talking about how there has never been DF'd any minors, and that it doesn't happen to those under 18.\n\nAlso says that whatever the literature says is not rules and regulations, just guidance, and that the organisation doesn't enforce anything.\n\nJudge pushes Ryssdal! Yessssss, this is important!\n\n**At 13:00 I call this. The pissed judge confronting Ryssdal makes me believe that we will win. Mark my words.**\n\nSorry for bad notes, I am juggling work and this as a crazy mf.... There will be an extensive AvoidJW article published later.\n\n13:14, Ryssdal claims that JW in no way try to stop or punish people for wanting to opt out.\n\nNow he compares the JW shunning to just all other aspects in life where people get divorced, change work, change political party etc. Says that this is nothing special.\n\nNow he talks about the Belgium case. Lies and say this was Supreme Court, it never got so far. 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Will rewatch recording later and fill in.</strong></p>\n\n<p>It will not be as excessive as yesterday, sorry. But the stream will be live and people can watch and comment and translate. Great if someone can just translate everything in threads like yesterday.</p>\n\n<p><a href=\"https://preview.redd.it/pcjzc6koxthg1.png?width=1280&amp;format=png&amp;auto=webp&amp;s=2d738e7cac5d0d2a2c7c8a54246373a59cb58592\">https://preview.redd.it/pcjzc6koxthg1.png?width=1280&amp;format=png&amp;auto=webp&amp;s=2d738e7cac5d0d2a2c7c8a54246373a59cb58592</a></p>\n\n<p>Reports on site says that there was a whole line of JWs already around 0700. But fear not, we do have at least four/five EXJW inside atm, send them some appriciation for their efforts. 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Reports on the lost hours will come from other sources.</p>\n\n<p>Ryssdal is now on,</p>\n\n<p>11:34<br/>\n<strong>Ryssdal claims in court that Jehovah&#39;s Witnesses never use the word SHUN.</strong> Sayst that the word is invented by apostates.</p>\n\n<p><a href=\"https://preview.redd.it/ze6tonapwuhg1.png?width=758&amp;format=png&amp;auto=webp&amp;s=d8152e008fa5bae81c703bc546e8e0ba8fe67310\">https://preview.redd.it/ze6tonapwuhg1.png?width=758&amp;format=png&amp;auto=webp&amp;s=d8152e008fa5bae81c703bc546e8e0ba8fe67310</a></p>\n\n<p><strong>11:40 Ryssdal claims that WT never to any surveillance or watch what their members do. Whatever action they do is between them and God. The rules are never enforced in any way</strong></p>\n\n<p>After the break, at 12:34 Ryssdal has a long explanation on why DF doesn&#39;t affect familyrelations. smh.</p>\n\n<p>12:40 - Long rant about how the nazis persecuted JW. 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What the court will decide is whether the practice of Jehovah's Witnesses is of such a nature that the state has the right to deny them state subsidies and registration as a religious community, which, among other things, means that the religious community has the right to marry.\n\n\n\n**\"Calling it social distancing is misleading\"**\n\nGabrielsen believes that the Court of Appeal has underestimated how serious the consequences are for those who break away from the religious community – and especially children. To illustrate this, she pointed out that the Court of Appeal in its judgment describes what happens when someone breaks away as \"social distancing\".\n\n\n\n\"That is not the formulation that Jehovah's Witnesses themselves use. And the formulation is misleading in the state's view, \" Gabrielsen said.\n\n\n\nShe believes the term creates associations with the corona pandemic's mild precautions to maintain a certain physical distance. The state, however, believes that a more accurate description of the practice is found in the religious community's own guidelines, which in English use the word \"shunning.\"\n\n\n\n\"So, they shun them. The Court of Appeal has embellished this to \"social distancing.\"\n\n\n\nGabrielsen also believed that the Court of Appeal made a mistake in giving too much weight to the exceptions to this rule. Although contact may still be necessary between parents and children who still live at home, the restrictions on this contact, in the state's opinion, are so great that they can be said to violate children's rights under Article 19 of the Convention on the Rights of the Child, which prohibits \"all forms of physical or mental violence.\"\n\n\n\n\" It's as if the Court of Appeal doesn't quite understand how narrow the exceptions are. You are isolated and stigmatized,\" said Gabrielsen.\n\n\n\nAnd thus, Gabrielsen believes, the Court of Appeal made two mistakes when it considered the question of whether the practices of Jehovah's Witnesses can be considered a violation of children's rights:\n\n\n\n\"One mistake is that the Court of Appeal sets the threshold for what is affected by Article 19 of the Convention on the Rights of the Child too high. The other is that it does not take into account how burdensome exclusion is,\" said Gabrielsen.\n\n\n\n\\-\"And even though they were wrong on two points, they came to the conclusion – with some doubt – that it is not a question of psychological violence. The state, on the other hand, believes that this is a question of psychological violence that children have the right to be protected from.\"\n\n\n\n**The question of free withdrawal**\n\nIn its judgment, the Court of Appeal wrote that it is probably the case that the consequences of withdrawal are so strong that some therefore refrain from withdrawing. The Court of Appeal nevertheless believed that this is not to be considered \"sufficient undue pressure that entails a violation of the member's right to free withdrawal\".\n\n\n\nThe state believes that the right to leave a religious community must involve more than just the possibility of formally leaving. Attorney Gabrielsen referred to statements from a witness in the Court of Appeal who said that he stayed in the religious community for 6-7 years longer than he wanted, out of fear of the consequences of a break.\n\n\n\n\"Regarding this, Jehovah's Witnesses point out that there are examples of members interpreting the rules liberally. But what is important is that this is not something the religious community itself encourages\", said Gabrielsen.\n\n\n\n**Emphasis on preparatory work**\n\nThis is the first time the Supreme Court will consider the new Religious Communities Act, and professor at the Faculty of Law in Oslo Vibeke Blaker Strand has previously told Vårt Land that it will be central in the consideration of the case to examine the preparatory work of the law.\n\n\n\nRegistration has limited effects. 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Please read and appreciate the work done by someone being up all night to follow this from the US.\n\nFor the next days this will be done the same way, the stream works fine through AJW, and there's several solutions available to make english text translations during it.\n\nFor updates etc, go to their pinned post, as they are still able to comment and update that one now through their account:\n\n[https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/1qvre5c/jwvsnorway\\_mass\\_post\\_the\\_price\\_we\\_pay\\_norway/](https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/1qvre5c/jwvsnorway_mass_post_the_price_we_pay_norway/)","author_fullname":"t2_13lcbzt","saved":false,"mod_reason_title":null,"gilded":0,"clicked":false,"title":"Posting for AvoidJW: Day 1: \"The Price we Pay! - JW Supreme Court Hearing","link_flair_richtext":[{"e":"text","t":"News"}],"subreddit_name_prefixed":"r/exjw","hidden":false,"pwls":7,"link_flair_css_class":"news","downs":0,"thumbnail_height":70,"top_awarded_type":null,"hide_score":false,"media_metadata":{"u87qckdl1phg1":{"status":"valid","e":"Image","m":"image/png","p":[{"y":54,"x":108,"u":"https://preview.redd.it/u87qckdl1phg1.png?width=108&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=42524851b84c2986cd7c9d68bff4d74b76f81c3f"},{"y":108,"x":216,"u":"https://preview.redd.it/u87qckdl1phg1.png?width=216&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=db72ae72020ecbb2dff786623c047d7506368ed9"},{"y":160,"x":320,"u":"https://preview.redd.it/u87qckdl1phg1.png?width=320&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=d5d872c398039ac820bf92d22d31f1fe34ced54d"},{"y":320,"x":640,"u":"https://preview.redd.it/u87qckdl1phg1.png?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=57688fddf189b9cb6237d8ede41da95e6f0e6dba"},{"y":480,"x":960,"u":"https://preview.redd.it/u87qckdl1phg1.png?width=960&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=1606a46818625cf30d14a34317bb45b367af8f3f"},{"y":540,"x":1080,"u":"https://preview.redd.it/u87qckdl1phg1.png?width=1080&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=6c538e39a890aa7bd8e833f389697d53e5299891"}],"s":{"y":600,"x":1200,"u":"https://preview.redd.it/u87qckdl1phg1.png?width=1200&format=png&auto=webp&s=986d35b5f086f2b82c495e691963312029f668ae"},"id":"u87qckdl1phg1"}},"name":"t3_1qwo8l5","quarantine":false,"link_flair_text_color":"dark","upvote_ratio":0.97,"author_flair_background_color":null,"subreddit_type":"public","ups":64,"total_awards_received":0,"media_embed":{},"thumbnail_width":140,"author_flair_template_id":"9d802a98-b766-11e6-a40a-0e1cfceb9f30","is_original_content":false,"user_reports":[],"secure_media":null,"is_reddit_media_domain":false,"is_meta":false,"category":null,"secure_media_embed":{},"link_flair_text":"News","can_mod_post":false,"score":64,"approved_by":null,"is_created_from_ads_ui":false,"author_premium":false,"thumbnail":"https://b.thumbs.redditmedia.com/ljUFpCNt8GiTN0rZK2VUoWMolEI1drS-fWarhMnEDCE.jpg","edited":false,"author_flair_css_class":null,"author_flair_richtext":[{"e":"text","t":"<-----King of the North!"}],"gildings":{},"content_categories":null,"is_self":true,"mod_note":null,"created":1770305243.0,"link_flair_type":"richtext","wls":7,"removed_by_category":null,"banned_by":null,"author_flair_type":"richtext","domain":"self.exjw","allow_live_comments":false,"selftext_html":"<!-- SC_OFF --><div class=\"md\"><p><a href=\"https://preview.redd.it/u87qckdl1phg1.png?width=1200&amp;format=png&amp;auto=webp&amp;s=986d35b5f086f2b82c495e691963312029f668ae\">Liv Gabrielson representing State starts her arguments Inside Supreme Court Hearing Room, Norway</a></p>\n\n<p><a href=\"https://avoidjw.org/court/norway-the-price-we-pay-children-government-supremecourt/\">https://avoidjw.org/court/norway-the-price-we-pay-children-government-supremecourt/</a></p>\n\n<p>As avoidJW got their account flagged and can not publish posts I will publish this article for them.</p>\n\n<p>This is their breakdown of the day, based on the stream, auto translate and comments from myself and others. 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{"approved_at_utc":null,"subreddit":"exjw","selftext":"# JW vs Norway - Day one. The notes of Jan Frode Nilsen\n\nThe day is come. For information about how to watch and chat, see the pinned post from Avoidjw. Sadly that account got banned yesterday, so I will have to step in a little.\n\nThis post is a place where I will type in kind of time stamps and notifications on what's happening. It's not going to be live updated, I just go in and edit now and then through the day. I won't be able to watch all live, but will go back and watch a recording as soon as I can after work, then fill in more.\n\nI'll not be active in the comments here.\n\nFor live interaction with me, use the Discord room linked up in the pinned post from avoidJW.\n\nRemember, this post will be constantly edited, so keep coming back for more until the end of the system of things (Day 1)\n\nHere we go.\n\n[**https://avoidjw.org/**](https://avoidjw.org/) **has a working link on the front page. You need to find translating tools yourself for now**\n\n**Be aware, there is one excellent Youtuber that I highly recommend present in Oslo these days, follow him for updates at site, the Danish \"Udstødt\" Frank Flemming.**  \n[**https://www.youtube.com/@udstodt**](https://www.youtube.com/@udstodt)\n\n[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpTyxDHZlQM](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpTyxDHZlQM)\n\nAt 08:20 the courtroom is already packed with press and JWs. One exjw says she had to turn away. Not sure yet if any exjw is in the room. The next upcoming days any exjw wanting at seat has to be in line outside the door at 0700-0730.\n\nAt 9:00 the State starts with their arguments. Only sound so far on the stream, I'm not sure if this is how it will be during the whole trial.\n\nTalks about the difference between religious freedom and the right for personal freedom. The State can not allow a religion to make it impossible to opt out, and still fund on the number of members\n\nVideo is now up!\n\nhttps://preview.redd.it/4exc1ob4wmhg1.png?width=2048&format=png&auto=webp&s=9208d2b70e7a2218e0c15f4824ecb1783fd6e282\n\n[https://www.domstol.no/no/hoyesterett/saksliste/kommende-rettsmoter/torsdag-5.-til-mandag-9.-februar](https://www.domstol.no/no/hoyesterett/saksliste/kommende-rettsmoter/torsdag-5.-til-mandag-9.-februar)\n\nLiv goes through it all, the arguments from the State and the reasons for withholding the funding. Also points to that the Court of Appeals were in doubt.\n\nWe do have eyes inside, the Podcaster mentioned above is inside and will provide videos in his channel in the breaks. Give him a follow.\n\nLiv talks about the reasons for the Appeal. What the disagreements are. These first hours will be the parties introductions. Nothing really new, tbh.\n\nI'll probably not write too much about the opening statements, as this is known arguments. Liv Inger is calm and controlled. Ryssdal is doing his thing, making a lot of movements constantly to try to put her off. He's an actor playing games.\n\nComment on Discord says:  \n**Btw Google translate application (not web) in Conversation mode is working fairly good!**\n\n**Google/Gemini translate on phone should work great, according to one viewer**\n\nLiv Inger talking about the intentions of the law, how they clearly talk about the importance for terms for funding, also for the public and the tax payer. It would be totally unreasonable to claim that the State had no right to deny anyone funding for whatever reason.\n\nLiv Inger just blew her nose into the Stream mic.... oh, well.\n\nBut great job so far going through the State's arguments. Seems totally valid, and no lies or misinfromation. Totally correct about how she describes WT practice.\n\nGoes through the prepositions of the law in Parliament, describes how it was always the Parliament's intention that the law were to be used to protect freedom and children's rights\n\nFirst question from one of the judges, asking what the State feels about \"directed towards children means\", what was the intention of the lawmaker, regarding social pressure.\n\nIn Supreme Court any one of the five judges can interrupt and ask questions at any time. This is very interesting to follow.\n\n[Danish EXJW teams present in the hall today. Follow the Youtube channel Udstødt](https://preview.redd.it/i05u532o7nhg1.png?width=2116&format=png&auto=webp&s=acd12eb1b7538c7abb0c9def9f435b776830e901)\n\n[Mostly JW people in the hall today.](https://preview.redd.it/av2wtp1x7nhg1.png?width=2116&format=png&auto=webp&s=c344e1f45c05e7303a1fe08fe6a367732cc92862)\n\nAfter the break now, it's still the State. Now focusing the right to opt out without punishment, The Human Right that it is to change a religion.\n\n[WT's spokesperson Jørgen Pedersen \\(with the newfound freedom to grow his facial beard\\)](https://preview.redd.it/opdtk8v98nhg1.png?width=2116&format=png&auto=webp&s=a128f84c3af3e9fcd316afd0c949c05576de9e76)\n\nTalking now about where to draw the line regarding the freedom to change religion. What is freedom? Is it just a technicality about the possibility to leave? Or is it about being able to do it without extensive punishment. This will be a central point for the court to decide.\n\nTalking about how the ECHR verdicts WT point to are irrelevant for this case. Good arguments. It's all about balance of rights.\n\nGreat points by Liv, ECHR have lots of statements prohibiting pressure to push people INTO a religion. These principles should also apply to pressuer AGAINST being able to change a religion.\n\nThird part, we are now into the WT practice regarding shunning. Liv states that this is considered as a fact, how the instructions are. Also that there is no lowest limit for baptizing.\n\nLiv is now quoting WT 2016. First WT quote, showing how it is written that even 12 year olds are quoted for being baptised in WT. Great part. Ryssdal looks like he wants to choke her.\n\nNow reading from \"Keep yourself in God's Love\" and clearly showing that this also applies to those who themselves chose to change religion. Says that the State does not interfere with the DF in itself, but that it applies also to those opting out.\n\nhttps://preview.redd.it/h3zj93osjnhg1.png?width=1440&format=png&auto=webp&s=2624810bd9456796ca664bbf2f65612a41c6742a\n\n[Danish EXJW making us look good in court](https://preview.redd.it/r9nuelovjnhg1.png?width=1440&format=png&auto=webp&s=5aae5ee4e0ebd54f3b1fd68f29a75456796043e7)\n\nWe are now deep into the key elements of this case. Liv is reading from WT material and showing in detail what the Appeals Court got wrong. She's showing direct, spesific instructions from the WT material. Very good prepared and reading up concrete directions on shunning.\n\nLiv is now reading from some of the witness statements in the Appeals Court.\n\nShe's showing how the shunning applies also to minors living at home, regarding visits etc. And how everyday life is deeply connected to spiritual life.\n\nLiv keeps reading from \"Keep yourself in God's Love\"\n\nLiv is on a great flow here. Ryssdal is constantly trying to move around and make noises to get her out of the flow.\n\nNow going through the testimony of Rolf Furuli. quoting how the shunning was applied.\n\nNow Liv quoted from my statement and made me cry, smh. She quoted how I told the story about the one time my dad called me and I instantly knew someone was dead. And I was right, it was his mother, my grandmother.  \nFML. (sorry, emotional af)\n\nAslo quoting my testimony regarding social contact outside of WT and the double life between JW and School.\n\nQuoting the testimony of brave Noomi Pilot regarding social contact outside of JW.\n\n[Ryssdal doesn't look too happy](https://preview.redd.it/yes7szg8pnhg1.png?width=945&format=png&auto=webp&s=5d139ec2f546d9642b9e8d746f52d7c30f91dcda)\n\nLunch break now for 45 minutes  \nIs anyone reding this, or am I wasting my time?  \nFeedback appreciated.\n\nWe're back again after lunch. As far as I can read this schedule it seems like the State has this day fully. My guess is that there will be a full day for WT tomorrow. Time will show. Triggerwarning, a day of WT speaking alone will be extremely triggering.\n\nLiv now reading from studies on Shunning. The whole poiont of shunning is to hurt. And this also means that people don't leave even if they want.\n\nLiv again quotes my statement.\n\nStraight back into the triggers, Liv are now quoting from my statement again, the process of fading and how many years I spent trying to find a way out. Talking about how I tried to find the Limbo where my children could keep their grandparents. Hurts to listen to this shit, how I blamed myself for losing my family.\n\nNow quoting Tony Zane, the witness that was still a registrered member when testifying in the Appeals Court. How he couldn't find any way out and would lose everything if he left. Strong quote.\n\nAlso quoting a Dagen article with faders.\n\nNow quoting ARC about flexibility.\n\n**Mr. Jackson is quoted, lol. His testimony is back to haunt WT. Great part. Ryssdal will claim that it is up to each individual to chose, but here Liv shows that the organization doesn't want liberal views. She descibes what WT means when they say it is up to each individual. Yes, it is up to each, but the line is clearly drawn.**\n\n**Liv is drawing the distinct line between \"losing contact with family\" as happens all over the world in any family, and \"having to cut family relations\" as WT demands.**\n\nQuestion from judge about other religions, about if there are any other religions that have the same rules and restrictions. Liv says that there are no other religion known in Norway that has this kind of systematic and organized form for shunning rules and regulations.\n\nShe also says that the State objects to ho WT pretends that this is not strict at all, and no different from all other religions. She says that the society is responsible for how the instructions are made.\n\nJudge asks about how children living at home are dealt with. Kind of hard to figure out directly what the limits are between parents and children after divorce and df.\n\n[Two of the five judges.](https://preview.redd.it/qnjvrrt51ohg1.png?width=2048&format=png&auto=webp&s=2fcb5f0a79b61d21606a5510a1364a3213d5a6ee)\n\n**Now talking about human rights and the protction of Children. The State is responsible for protection children, not only from physical harm. This means that the State not only has the right, but also the obligation to do that. It is the Duty of the State to act.**\n\nA child has the right of freedom from all sorts of violence, all sorts of harm against children. Injury, abuse neglect etc. Must not be interpretated in any way that this is not also psychological maltreatment. The definition is \"harm\" in all sorts of ways.\n\nEdit, I have to go now, The last hour will be updated later. Thanks for reading.\n\nI listened in for most of the last hour while driving, at it was just glorius. Liv did an amazing job today. For the last part she read out a lot of the instructions in the Shepherd book, especially on investigations regarding sex. It was cringe af, you could feel the courtroom sitting on egde in embarrassement.\n\nI'll not write more notes on this last part, as avoidJW now has a big breakdown available on their site, please go there and read this article;\n\n[https://avoidjw.org/court/norway-the-price-we-pay-children-government-supremecourt/](https://avoidjw.org/court/norway-the-price-we-pay-children-government-supremecourt/)\n\nThanks for following. 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The notes of Jan Frode Nilsen</h1>\n\n<p>The day is come. For information about how to watch and chat, see the pinned post from Avoidjw. Sadly that account got banned yesterday, so I will have to step in a little.</p>\n\n<p>This post is a place where I will type in kind of time stamps and notifications on what&#39;s happening. It&#39;s not going to be live updated, I just go in and edit now and then through the day. I won&#39;t be able to watch all live, but will go back and watch a recording as soon as I can after work, then fill in more.</p>\n\n<p>I&#39;ll not be active in the comments here.</p>\n\n<p>For live interaction with me, use the Discord room linked up in the pinned post from avoidJW.</p>\n\n<p>Remember, this post will be constantly edited, so keep coming back for more until the end of the system of things (Day 1)</p>\n\n<p>Here we go.</p>\n\n<p><a href=\"https://avoidjw.org/\"><strong>https://avoidjw.org/</strong></a> <strong>has a working link on the front page. You need to find translating tools yourself for now</strong></p>\n\n<p><strong>Be aware, there is one excellent Youtuber that I highly recommend present in Oslo these days, follow him for updates at site, the Danish &quot;Udstødt&quot; Frank Flemming.</strong><br/>\n<a href=\"https://www.youtube.com/@udstodt\"><strong>https://www.youtube.com/@udstodt</strong></a></p>\n\n<p><a href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpTyxDHZlQM\">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpTyxDHZlQM</a></p>\n\n<p>At 08:20 the courtroom is already packed with press and JWs. One exjw says she had to turn away. Not sure yet if any exjw is in the room. The next upcoming days any exjw wanting at seat has to be in line outside the door at 0700-0730.</p>\n\n<p>At 9:00 the State starts with their arguments. Only sound so far on the stream, I&#39;m not sure if this is how it will be during the whole trial.</p>\n\n<p>Talks about the difference between religious freedom and the right for personal freedom. The State can not allow a religion to make it impossible to opt out, and still fund on the number of members</p>\n\n<p>Video is now up!</p>\n\n<p><a href=\"https://preview.redd.it/4exc1ob4wmhg1.png?width=2048&amp;format=png&amp;auto=webp&amp;s=9208d2b70e7a2218e0c15f4824ecb1783fd6e282\">https://preview.redd.it/4exc1ob4wmhg1.png?width=2048&amp;format=png&amp;auto=webp&amp;s=9208d2b70e7a2218e0c15f4824ecb1783fd6e282</a></p>\n\n<p><a href=\"https://www.domstol.no/no/hoyesterett/saksliste/kommende-rettsmoter/torsdag-5.-til-mandag-9.-februar\">https://www.domstol.no/no/hoyesterett/saksliste/kommende-rettsmoter/torsdag-5.-til-mandag-9.-februar</a></p>\n\n<p>Liv goes through it all, the arguments from the State and the reasons for withholding the funding. Also points to that the Court of Appeals were in doubt.</p>\n\n<p>We do have eyes inside, the Podcaster mentioned above is inside and will provide videos in his channel in the breaks. Give him a follow.</p>\n\n<p>Liv talks about the reasons for the Appeal. What the disagreements are. These first hours will be the parties introductions. Nothing really new, tbh.</p>\n\n<p>I&#39;ll probably not write too much about the opening statements, as this is known arguments. Liv Inger is calm and controlled. Ryssdal is doing his thing, making a lot of movements constantly to try to put her off. He&#39;s an actor playing games.</p>\n\n<p>Comment on Discord says:<br/>\n<strong>Btw Google translate application (not web) in Conversation mode is working fairly good!</strong></p>\n\n<p><strong>Google/Gemini translate on phone should work great, according to one viewer</strong></p>\n\n<p>Liv Inger talking about the intentions of the law, how they clearly talk about the importance for terms for funding, also for the public and the tax payer. It would be totally unreasonable to claim that the State had no right to deny anyone funding for whatever reason.</p>\n\n<p>Liv Inger just blew her nose into the Stream mic.... oh, well.</p>\n\n<p>But great job so far going through the State&#39;s arguments. Seems totally valid, and no lies or misinfromation. Totally correct about how she describes WT practice.</p>\n\n<p>Goes through the prepositions of the law in Parliament, describes how it was always the Parliament&#39;s intention that the law were to be used to protect freedom and children&#39;s rights</p>\n\n<p>First question from one of the judges, asking what the State feels about &quot;directed towards children means&quot;, what was the intention of the lawmaker, regarding social pressure.</p>\n\n<p>In Supreme Court any one of the five judges can interrupt and ask questions at any time. This is very interesting to follow.</p>\n\n<p><a href=\"https://preview.redd.it/i05u532o7nhg1.png?width=2116&amp;format=png&amp;auto=webp&amp;s=acd12eb1b7538c7abb0c9def9f435b776830e901\">Danish EXJW teams present in the hall today. Follow the Youtube channel Udstødt</a></p>\n\n<p><a href=\"https://preview.redd.it/av2wtp1x7nhg1.png?width=2116&amp;format=png&amp;auto=webp&amp;s=c344e1f45c05e7303a1fe08fe6a367732cc92862\">Mostly JW people in the hall today.</a></p>\n\n<p>After the break now, it&#39;s still the State. Now focusing the right to opt out without punishment, The Human Right that it is to change a religion.</p>\n\n<p><a href=\"https://preview.redd.it/opdtk8v98nhg1.png?width=2116&amp;format=png&amp;auto=webp&amp;s=a128f84c3af3e9fcd316afd0c949c05576de9e76\">WT&#39;s spokesperson Jørgen Pedersen (with the newfound freedom to grow his facial beard)</a></p>\n\n<p>Talking now about where to draw the line regarding the freedom to change religion. What is freedom? Is it just a technicality about the possibility to leave? Or is it about being able to do it without extensive punishment. This will be a central point for the court to decide.</p>\n\n<p>Talking about how the ECHR verdicts WT point to are irrelevant for this case. Good arguments. It&#39;s all about balance of rights.</p>\n\n<p>Great points by Liv, ECHR have lots of statements prohibiting pressure to push people INTO a religion. These principles should also apply to pressuer AGAINST being able to change a religion.</p>\n\n<p>Third part, we are now into the WT practice regarding shunning. Liv states that this is considered as a fact, how the instructions are. Also that there is no lowest limit for baptizing.</p>\n\n<p>Liv is now quoting WT 2016. First WT quote, showing how it is written that even 12 year olds are quoted for being baptised in WT. Great part. Ryssdal looks like he wants to choke her.</p>\n\n<p>Now reading from &quot;Keep yourself in God&#39;s Love&quot; and clearly showing that this also applies to those who themselves chose to change religion. Says that the State does not interfere with the DF in itself, but that it applies also to those opting out.</p>\n\n<p><a href=\"https://preview.redd.it/h3zj93osjnhg1.png?width=1440&amp;format=png&amp;auto=webp&amp;s=2624810bd9456796ca664bbf2f65612a41c6742a\">https://preview.redd.it/h3zj93osjnhg1.png?width=1440&amp;format=png&amp;auto=webp&amp;s=2624810bd9456796ca664bbf2f65612a41c6742a</a></p>\n\n<p><a href=\"https://preview.redd.it/r9nuelovjnhg1.png?width=1440&amp;format=png&amp;auto=webp&amp;s=5aae5ee4e0ebd54f3b1fd68f29a75456796043e7\">Danish EXJW making us look good in court</a></p>\n\n<p>We are now deep into the key elements of this case. Liv is reading from WT material and showing in detail what the Appeals Court got wrong. She&#39;s showing direct, spesific instructions from the WT material. Very good prepared and reading up concrete directions on shunning.</p>\n\n<p>Liv is now reading from some of the witness statements in the Appeals Court.</p>\n\n<p>She&#39;s showing how the shunning applies also to minors living at home, regarding visits etc. And how everyday life is deeply connected to spiritual life.</p>\n\n<p>Liv keeps reading from &quot;Keep yourself in God&#39;s Love&quot;</p>\n\n<p>Liv is on a great flow here. Ryssdal is constantly trying to move around and make noises to get her out of the flow.</p>\n\n<p>Now going through the testimony of Rolf Furuli. quoting how the shunning was applied.</p>\n\n<p>Now Liv quoted from my statement and made me cry, smh. She quoted how I told the story about the one time my dad called me and I instantly knew someone was dead. And I was right, it was his mother, my grandmother.<br/>\nFML. (sorry, emotional af)</p>\n\n<p>Aslo quoting my testimony regarding social contact outside of WT and the double life between JW and School.</p>\n\n<p>Quoting the testimony of brave Noomi Pilot regarding social contact outside of JW.</p>\n\n<p><a href=\"https://preview.redd.it/yes7szg8pnhg1.png?width=945&amp;format=png&amp;auto=webp&amp;s=5d139ec2f546d9642b9e8d746f52d7c30f91dcda\">Ryssdal doesn&#39;t look too happy</a></p>\n\n<p>Lunch break now for 45 minutes<br/>\nIs anyone reding this, or am I wasting my time?<br/>\nFeedback appreciated.</p>\n\n<p>We&#39;re back again after lunch. As far as I can read this schedule it seems like the State has this day fully. My guess is that there will be a full day for WT tomorrow. Time will show. Triggerwarning, a day of WT speaking alone will be extremely triggering.</p>\n\n<p>Liv now reading from studies on Shunning. The whole poiont of shunning is to hurt. And this also means that people don&#39;t leave even if they want.</p>\n\n<p>Liv again quotes my statement.</p>\n\n<p>Straight back into the triggers, Liv are now quoting from my statement again, the process of fading and how many years I spent trying to find a way out. Talking about how I tried to find the Limbo where my children could keep their grandparents. Hurts to listen to this shit, how I blamed myself for losing my family.</p>\n\n<p>Now quoting Tony Zane, the witness that was still a registrered member when testifying in the Appeals Court. How he couldn&#39;t find any way out and would lose everything if he left. Strong quote.</p>\n\n<p>Also quoting a Dagen article with faders.</p>\n\n<p>Now quoting ARC about flexibility.</p>\n\n<p><strong>Mr. Jackson is quoted, lol. His testimony is back to haunt WT. Great part. Ryssdal will claim that it is up to each individual to chose, but here Liv shows that the organization doesn&#39;t want liberal views. She descibes what WT means when they say it is up to each individual. Yes, it is up to each, but the line is clearly drawn.</strong></p>\n\n<p><strong>Liv is drawing the distinct line between &quot;losing contact with family&quot; as happens all over the world in any family, and &quot;having to cut family relations&quot; as WT demands.</strong></p>\n\n<p>Question from judge about other religions, about if there are any other religions that have the same rules and restrictions. Liv says that there are no other religion known in Norway that has this kind of systematic and organized form for shunning rules and regulations.</p>\n\n<p>She also says that the State objects to ho WT pretends that this is not strict at all, and no different from all other religions. She says that the society is responsible for how the instructions are made.</p>\n\n<p>Judge asks about how children living at home are dealt with. Kind of hard to figure out directly what the limits are between parents and children after divorce and df.</p>\n\n<p><a href=\"https://preview.redd.it/qnjvrrt51ohg1.png?width=2048&amp;format=png&amp;auto=webp&amp;s=2fcb5f0a79b61d21606a5510a1364a3213d5a6ee\">Two of the five judges.</a></p>\n\n<p><strong>Now talking about human rights and the protction of Children. The State is responsible for protection children, not only from physical harm. This means that the State not only has the right, but also the obligation to do that. It is the Duty of the State to act.</strong></p>\n\n<p>A child has the right of freedom from all sorts of violence, all sorts of harm against children. Injury, abuse neglect etc. Must not be interpretated in any way that this is not also psychological maltreatment. The definition is &quot;harm&quot; in all sorts of ways.</p>\n\n<p>Edit, I have to go now, The last hour will be updated later. Thanks for reading.</p>\n\n<p>I listened in for most of the last hour while driving, at it was just glorius. Liv did an amazing job today. For the last part she read out a lot of the instructions in the Shepherd book, especially on investigations regarding sex. It was cringe af, you could feel the courtroom sitting on egde in embarrassement.</p>\n\n<p>I&#39;ll not write more notes on this last part, as avoidJW now has a big breakdown available on their site, please go there and read this article;</p>\n\n<p><a href=\"https://avoidjw.org/court/norway-the-price-we-pay-children-government-supremecourt/\">https://avoidjw.org/court/norway-the-price-we-pay-children-government-supremecourt/</a></p>\n\n<p>Thanks for following. 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{"approved_at_utc":null,"subreddit":"exjw","selftext":"Kind of weird point of view, to use the word \"strange\" but I'll share anyway.... (my comment)\n\n[https://www.aftenposten.no/meninger/kommentar/i/JOJPz6/hvor-fritt-staar-jehovas-vitner](https://www.aftenposten.no/meninger/kommentar/i/JOJPz6/hvor-fritt-staar-jehovas-vitner)\n\nhttps://preview.redd.it/fktiztiu8chg1.png?width=1440&format=png&auto=webp&s=f0ccb046de0cb7835abd9baff0fe7e6d7d1056e4\n\n# How strange can religious people be? The Supreme Court is taking the case.\n\nFrank Rossavik\n\nJehovah's Witnesses are fighting for state support. For them, it's about freedom. But they also have to think about something else.\n\nFrom 2021, the state deprived Jehovah's Witnesses (JV) of public registration as a religious community and all state support. Those who withdraw are faced with social isolation. The state claims that the right to free withdrawal is thus not respected. It also believes that JV's social control of minors violates children's rights.\n\nJV went to court. Oslo District Court ruled in favor of the state. JV appealed. Borgarting Court of Appeal ruled in favor of JV. The state appealed. The Supreme Court agreed to take the case. It starts there on February 5.\n\nThen comes an important clarification. As the two judgments show, it is not obvious how the disputed issues should be assessed legally.\n\nJehovah's Witnesses have support in the European Convention on Human Rights, to which Norway has acceded. It gives religious communities great freedom to practice as they wish, although not without restrictions.\n\nThe state has support in the relatively new Norwegian Act on Religious Communities, which is more controlling and stricter than the previous one.\n\nThe new law reflects changes in society. This side of the millennium, there has been a spotlight on various religious communities' discrimination against minorities and social control of women. Religious communities that make unreasonable demands on employees, for example that a cleaner must have the right faith, have received attention. A case of membership fraud in the Catholic Church also received a lot of attention.\n\nThis plays into a broader discussion about whether the state should finance religious communities at all.\n\nThere is a limit\n\nMy starting point is to support Jehovah's Witnesses. If a religious community is not to be allowed to be different, a concept such as \"freedom of religion\" is empty. A good deal of the way must be allowed to follow other norms as long as it is based on faith and individuality. This must also apply to such a special Christian movement as the JV, where members are required to say no to blood transfusions, for example.\n\nBut there is of course a limit somewhere.\n\nThe Court of Appeal's ruling assumes that it is formally easy to leave the JV. The social distancing afterwards \"is clear from the rules of Jehovah's Witnesses and is something that the members are familiar with,\" the judges write. So people know what they are doing. Furthermore, the judges emphasize that the distancing is relatively mild. Complete social isolation is not required.\n\nJudges in doubt\n\nThe court also believes that the norms and sanctions that minors encounter in the JV cannot be called \"psychological violence.\" They are not serious enough to violate children's rights. Here, the judges still have doubts, they write. When minors have to confess to violations of norms to the congregation's elders, for example about sexual relations, it is stressful. The rules do say that the elders' treatment should be \"friendly.\"\n\n“The Court of Appeal assumes that the elders do not normally have sufficient child-related expertise to fully safeguard the child’s interests in such a conversation,” the ruling states. Parents will usually be present, but according to the rules, “shall not attempt to shield the young offender from necessary disciplinary measures.”\n\nOn this point, JV is probably the weakest. A slap in the face in the Court of Appeal can become a slap in the face in the Supreme Court.\n\nIn that case, the case can be appealed to the European Court of Human Rights, something Norwegian courts must always keep in mind. There, JVs, which exist in most countries, tend to win cases about the right to be registered as a religious community.\n\nPeople do not like coercion\n\nBut in any case, Jehovah’s Witnesses have a problem. There are also other religious communities with strict internal custodianship based on dogmas and norms that deviate greatly from those of the larger society. In the long run, they cannot manage with paragraphs and support from people like me, i.e. liberal atheists with a good will for religious freedom.\n\nThey need support from many more people, or at least acceptance. In liberal democracies, individual freedom has been strengthened. Children's rights have been given even greater weight.\n\nReligious freedom is still strong, but people are likely to flinch when the word coercion comes up. Then, at least, the willingness to finance the activity with the tax bill decreases.\n\nAs long as adults live their lives in religious communities they have voluntarily joined, few outsiders will have any problems, almost no matter how strange the dogmas and norms are.\n\nWorth the fuss?\n\nBut people must have the right to withdraw. Having rules against contact with those who have left may be legally tenable, but is it necessary? Is it worth the fuss?\n\nAbove all, the JV should leave the upbringing of children to their parents. If the state were to lose in the Supreme Court, it would still be able to make clearer rules to prevent a religious community that wants state support from operating its own \"child police\". It may also be necessary for to ensure broad enough support for continued state funding.\n\nJehovah's Witnesses should do without using pressure on anyone other than the adults who have voluntarily joined.","author_fullname":"t2_13lcbzt","saved":false,"mod_reason_title":null,"gilded":0,"clicked":false,"title":"JV vs Norway - Op-Ed in the largerst newspaper","link_flair_richtext":[{"e":"text","t":"News"}],"subreddit_name_prefixed":"r/exjw","hidden":false,"pwls":7,"link_flair_css_class":"news","downs":0,"thumbnail_height":100,"top_awarded_type":null,"hide_score":false,"media_metadata":{"fktiztiu8chg1":{"status":"valid","e":"Image","m":"image/png","p":[{"y":77,"x":108,"u":"https://preview.redd.it/fktiztiu8chg1.png?width=108&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=18bc95967ec63df3712dffc6485b7331a3643904"},{"y":155,"x":216,"u":"https://preview.redd.it/fktiztiu8chg1.png?width=216&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=23bfb2794c891922c1b6b6ee980d22d883afd607"},{"y":230,"x":320,"u":"https://preview.redd.it/fktiztiu8chg1.png?width=320&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=307f99f86bf30d8e2a3af5176cc8f48e6d39f214"},{"y":460,"x":640,"u":"https://preview.redd.it/fktiztiu8chg1.png?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=faa8b82e32395bb512498125eb6c0ca5dd7c6eb0"},{"y":690,"x":960,"u":"https://preview.redd.it/fktiztiu8chg1.png?width=960&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=03e2240a4fd236199578cc0de1bef234eb321526"},{"y":777,"x":1080,"u":"https://preview.redd.it/fktiztiu8chg1.png?width=1080&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=a62ea6bf7684361d59071076e5d1403060b267e8"}],"s":{"y":1036,"x":1440,"u":"https://preview.redd.it/fktiztiu8chg1.png?width=1440&format=png&auto=webp&s=f0ccb046de0cb7835abd9baff0fe7e6d7d1056e4"},"id":"fktiztiu8chg1"}},"name":"t3_1qv34l1","quarantine":false,"link_flair_text_color":"dark","upvote_ratio":0.98,"author_flair_background_color":null,"subreddit_type":"public","ups":66,"total_awards_received":0,"media_embed":{},"thumbnail_width":140,"author_flair_template_id":"9d802a98-b766-11e6-a40a-0e1cfceb9f30","is_original_content":false,"user_reports":[],"secure_media":null,"is_reddit_media_domain":false,"is_meta":false,"category":null,"secure_media_embed":{},"link_flair_text":"News","can_mod_post":false,"score":66,"approved_by":null,"is_created_from_ads_ui":false,"author_premium":false,"thumbnail":"https://b.thumbs.redditmedia.com/hUj8-U62TfGXHdsu_p9d1-YKYRoaZEKLz-BPJCTUrrU.jpg","edited":1770151964.0,"author_flair_css_class":null,"author_flair_richtext":[{"e":"text","t":"<-----King of the North!"}],"gildings":{},"content_categories":null,"is_self":true,"mod_note":null,"created":1770150256.0,"link_flair_type":"richtext","wls":7,"removed_by_category":null,"banned_by":null,"author_flair_type":"richtext","domain":"self.exjw","allow_live_comments":false,"selftext_html":"<!-- SC_OFF --><div class=\"md\"><p>Kind of weird point of view, to use the word &quot;strange&quot; but I&#39;ll share anyway.... (my comment)</p>\n\n<p><a href=\"https://www.aftenposten.no/meninger/kommentar/i/JOJPz6/hvor-fritt-staar-jehovas-vitner\">https://www.aftenposten.no/meninger/kommentar/i/JOJPz6/hvor-fritt-staar-jehovas-vitner</a></p>\n\n<p><a href=\"https://preview.redd.it/fktiztiu8chg1.png?width=1440&amp;format=png&amp;auto=webp&amp;s=f0ccb046de0cb7835abd9baff0fe7e6d7d1056e4\">https://preview.redd.it/fktiztiu8chg1.png?width=1440&amp;format=png&amp;auto=webp&amp;s=f0ccb046de0cb7835abd9baff0fe7e6d7d1056e4</a></p>\n\n<h1>How strange can religious people be? The Supreme Court is taking the case.</h1>\n\n<p>Frank Rossavik</p>\n\n<p>Jehovah&#39;s Witnesses are fighting for state support. For them, it&#39;s about freedom. But they also have to think about something else.</p>\n\n<p>From 2021, the state deprived Jehovah&#39;s Witnesses (JV) of public registration as a religious community and all state support. Those who withdraw are faced with social isolation. The state claims that the right to free withdrawal is thus not respected. It also believes that JV&#39;s social control of minors violates children&#39;s rights.</p>\n\n<p>JV went to court. Oslo District Court ruled in favor of the state. JV appealed. Borgarting Court of Appeal ruled in favor of JV. The state appealed. The Supreme Court agreed to take the case. It starts there on February 5.</p>\n\n<p>Then comes an important clarification. As the two judgments show, it is not obvious how the disputed issues should be assessed legally.</p>\n\n<p>Jehovah&#39;s Witnesses have support in the European Convention on Human Rights, to which Norway has acceded. It gives religious communities great freedom to practice as they wish, although not without restrictions.</p>\n\n<p>The state has support in the relatively new Norwegian Act on Religious Communities, which is more controlling and stricter than the previous one.</p>\n\n<p>The new law reflects changes in society. This side of the millennium, there has been a spotlight on various religious communities&#39; discrimination against minorities and social control of women. Religious communities that make unreasonable demands on employees, for example that a cleaner must have the right faith, have received attention. A case of membership fraud in the Catholic Church also received a lot of attention.</p>\n\n<p>This plays into a broader discussion about whether the state should finance religious communities at all.</p>\n\n<p>There is a limit</p>\n\n<p>My starting point is to support Jehovah&#39;s Witnesses. If a religious community is not to be allowed to be different, a concept such as &quot;freedom of religion&quot; is empty. A good deal of the way must be allowed to follow other norms as long as it is based on faith and individuality. This must also apply to such a special Christian movement as the JV, where members are required to say no to blood transfusions, for example.</p>\n\n<p>But there is of course a limit somewhere.</p>\n\n<p>The Court of Appeal&#39;s ruling assumes that it is formally easy to leave the JV. The social distancing afterwards &quot;is clear from the rules of Jehovah&#39;s Witnesses and is something that the members are familiar with,&quot; the judges write. So people know what they are doing. Furthermore, the judges emphasize that the distancing is relatively mild. Complete social isolation is not required.</p>\n\n<p>Judges in doubt</p>\n\n<p>The court also believes that the norms and sanctions that minors encounter in the JV cannot be called &quot;psychological violence.&quot; They are not serious enough to violate children&#39;s rights. Here, the judges still have doubts, they write. When minors have to confess to violations of norms to the congregation&#39;s elders, for example about sexual relations, it is stressful. The rules do say that the elders&#39; treatment should be &quot;friendly.&quot;</p>\n\n<p>“The Court of Appeal assumes that the elders do not normally have sufficient child-related expertise to fully safeguard the child’s interests in such a conversation,” the ruling states. Parents will usually be present, but according to the rules, “shall not attempt to shield the young offender from necessary disciplinary measures.”</p>\n\n<p>On this point, JV is probably the weakest. A slap in the face in the Court of Appeal can become a slap in the face in the Supreme Court.</p>\n\n<p>In that case, the case can be appealed to the European Court of Human Rights, something Norwegian courts must always keep in mind. There, JVs, which exist in most countries, tend to win cases about the right to be registered as a religious community.</p>\n\n<p>People do not like coercion</p>\n\n<p>But in any case, Jehovah’s Witnesses have a problem. There are also other religious communities with strict internal custodianship based on dogmas and norms that deviate greatly from those of the larger society. In the long run, they cannot manage with paragraphs and support from people like me, i.e. liberal atheists with a good will for religious freedom.</p>\n\n<p>They need support from many more people, or at least acceptance. In liberal democracies, individual freedom has been strengthened. Children&#39;s rights have been given even greater weight.</p>\n\n<p>Religious freedom is still strong, but people are likely to flinch when the word coercion comes up. Then, at least, the willingness to finance the activity with the tax bill decreases.</p>\n\n<p>As long as adults live their lives in religious communities they have voluntarily joined, few outsiders will have any problems, almost no matter how strange the dogmas and norms are.</p>\n\n<p>Worth the fuss?</p>\n\n<p>But people must have the right to withdraw. Having rules against contact with those who have left may be legally tenable, but is it necessary? Is it worth the fuss?</p>\n\n<p>Above all, the JV should leave the upbringing of children to their parents. If the state were to lose in the Supreme Court, it would still be able to make clearer rules to prevent a religious community that wants state support from operating its own &quot;child police&quot;. It may also be necessary for to ensure broad enough support for continued state funding.</p>\n\n<p>Jehovah&#39;s Witnesses should do without using pressure on anyone other than the adults who have voluntarily joined.</p>\n</div><!-- SC_ON -->","likes":null,"suggested_sort":null,"banned_at_utc":null,"view_count":null,"archived":false,"no_follow":false,"is_crosspostable":false,"pinned":false,"over_18":false,"all_awardings":[],"awarders":[],"media_only":false,"link_flair_template_id":"ab1fff82-6405-11e8-86f3-0e5f20cd29ce","can_gild":false,"spoiler":false,"locked":false,"author_flair_text":"<-----King of the North!","treatment_tags":[],"visited":false,"removed_by":null,"num_reports":null,"distinguished":null,"subreddit_id":"t5_2qp5l","author_is_blocked":false,"mod_reason_by":null,"removal_reason":null,"link_flair_background_color":"#bbbdbf","id":"1qv34l1","is_robot_indexable":true,"report_reasons":null,"author":"FrodeKommode","discussion_type":null,"num_comments":16,"send_replies":true,"contest_mode":false,"mod_reports":[],"author_patreon_flair":false,"author_flair_text_color":"dark","permalink":"/r/exjw/comments/1qv34l1/jv_vs_norway_oped_in_the_largerst_newspaper/","stickied":false,"url":"https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/1qv34l1/jv_vs_norway_oped_in_the_largerst_newspaper/","subreddit_subscribers":119984,"created_utc":1770150256.0,"num_crossposts":0,"media":null,"is_video":false}
{"approved_at_utc":null,"subreddit":"exjw","selftext":"[https://www.vl.no/nyheter/na-skal-hoyesterett-avgjore-jehovas-vitner-saken/10176316](https://www.vl.no/nyheter/na-skal-hoyesterett-avgjore-jehovas-vitner-saken/10176316)\n\n# The Supreme Court will now decide the Jehovah's Witnesses case\n\n*JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES: \" It would be a disaster if religious freedom were to trump the rights of children,\" says former witness. Lawyer believes the Supreme Court must spend time familiarizing itself with the legal process.*\n\n[Leander Djønne is an award winning writer and artist](https://preview.redd.it/fh225z9bbahg1.png?width=2116&format=png&auto=webp&s=754a90bc177ced64daed4bdba6c612c90083c608)\n\nTHIRD ROUND: A year ago, Leander Djønne testified in the trial where Jehovah's Witnesses won. When the case goes to the Supreme Court, he will stay away.\n\n\"The case is about how the rule of law should protect children and young people in our society. That is what is at stake. And I think it would be a disaster if religious freedom were to trump the rights of children and young people\", says Leander Djønne.\n\nHe is both an apple farmer and an award-winning author. After growing up as a Jehovah's Witnesses and being baptized at the age of 15, he resigned at the age of 16. In February last year, he was one of 28 people with a background from the religious community who testified in the Borgarting Court of Appeal, in the trial that ended with the religious community winning.\n\n\"It was disappointing. I had prepared well, had traveled from Western Norway to Oslo and tried to be completely open about my upbringing and what it was like\", says Djønne.\n\n\"That is why I will keep my distance now that the case is going to the Supreme Court.\"\n\nDo Jehovah's Witnesses have the right to be registered as a religious community, with the rights it gives to state religious support?\n\nOr do some of the religious community's practices involve violations of children's rights, and sanctions that mean that members are not free to leave in practice? If that is the case, the state has the right to refuse to provide religious support to the religious community.\n\nIn 2024, the Oslo District Court concluded that the state had the right to deny Jehovah's Witnesses state support. In 2025, the Borgarting Court of Appeal came to the opposite conclusion.\n\n**On February 5, the case between Jehovah's Witnesses and the state will go to the Supreme Court, after the Ministry of Children and Family Affairs appealed the ruling from Borgarting Court of Appeal.**\n\nJehovah's Witnesses spokesperson Jørgen Pedersen writes in an email to Vårt Land that \"the decision to deny Jehovah's Witnesses registration and state subsidies is based on a misunderstanding of our faith and practice,\" and that they now look forward to the Supreme Court hearing the case. Read the full response from Jehovah's Witnesses in a separate fact box.\n\n**Expert: - Must look at the intention of the law**\n\nThis will be the first time the Supreme Court has ruled on the application of the Religious Communities Act from 2021. Professor at the Faculty of Law in Oslo Vibeke Blaker Strand says she is excited to see how the Supreme Court will assess the law's criteria for state support against the specific activities of a religious community.\n\n\"I expect that the Supreme Court will be concerned with what the Storting wanted to achieve with the new Religious Act and the criteria it sets for receiving religious support.\n\nThe most central legal text in the case is the Religious Act’s section 6, which states that religious communities can be denied funding if they “exercise violence or coercion, make threats, violate children’s rights, violate statutory prohibitions on discrimination or in other ways seriously violate the rights and freedoms of others.”\n\nPerhaps the most central question in the case is whether this legal text affects how Jehovah’s Witnesses distance themselves from those who have been disaffiliated and excluded. Furthermore, it is central whether the serious social consequences mean that members, especially minors, are in reality not free to disaffiliate.\n\n\"Children’s rights have been strengthened in the legal system otherwise, and have now also been included in the Religious Act. So I expect that the Supreme Court will examine the preparatory work and take a position on what the Storting’s intention has been,\" says Vibeke Blaker Strand.\n\n\"What do you consider to be the best arguments of the different sides in the case?\"\n\n\"For the state, I think that the legal history, and the desire to strengthen children's rights behind section 6 of the Religion Act, is something that benefits the state's case. So I'm excited to see how the Supreme Court will emphasize this.\"\n\n\"Then I think that Jehovah's Witnesses will be concerned that the legal text is vague, and that the law's criteria are not very precise.\"\n\nThe Supreme Court has set aside three days for the case, which begins on Thursday. It is possible to follow the case digitally on the Supreme Court's website.\n\n**Jehovah's Witnesses respond**\n\nJehovah's Witnesses spokesperson Jørgen Pedersen has sent the following statement to Vårt Land:\n\nWe believe that the decision to deny Jehovah's Witnesses registration and state subsidies is based on a wrong understanding of our faith and practice. All Jehovah's Witnesses - and especially parents and young people - find the accusations deeply hurtful because they do not match how we actually live and practice our faith.\n\nThe Borgarting Court of Appeal unanimously concluded that the state's basis for refusing registration and state subsidies was incorrect, and we look forward to the Supreme Court now hearing the case.\n\nThe State Administrator's decision, which is not based on any factual basis, has unfortunately contributed to stigmatization and prejudice against Jehovah's Witnesses in the workplace, in schools and in society in general. As far as we know, no other religious community in Norway has been met with such treatment. The decisions have also deprived the Witnesses of rights that more than 700 other religious and life-belief communities in Norway still have, including the right to receive state subsidies and to perform weddings.\n\nTherefore, the case in the Supreme Court is not only about Jehovah's Witnesses, but about fundamental legal security and human rights for all citizens in Norway. We hope that the Supreme Court will uphold and confirm our full rights in line with national and international case law.","author_fullname":"t2_13lcbzt","saved":false,"mod_reason_title":null,"gilded":0,"clicked":false,"title":"JW vs Norway - Newspaper article -","link_flair_richtext":[{"e":"text","t":"News"}],"subreddit_name_prefixed":"r/exjw","hidden":false,"pwls":7,"link_flair_css_class":"news","downs":0,"thumbnail_height":79,"top_awarded_type":null,"hide_score":false,"media_metadata":{"fh225z9bbahg1":{"status":"valid","e":"Image","m":"image/png","p":[{"y":61,"x":108,"u":"https://preview.redd.it/fh225z9bbahg1.png?width=108&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=4886c5f1b81c6e7936800e5103ab597695e41363"},{"y":123,"x":216,"u":"https://preview.redd.it/fh225z9bbahg1.png?width=216&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=0c21ff0002a1ada9a51404042188e3f2137d1db4"},{"y":182,"x":320,"u":"https://preview.redd.it/fh225z9bbahg1.png?width=320&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=8fbe8f73788d7f30a9e6900420ebc9ea670fb17f"},{"y":365,"x":640,"u":"https://preview.redd.it/fh225z9bbahg1.png?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=9b63f75a15c7e9257941d6fc0fd564f5817ce9ce"},{"y":548,"x":960,"u":"https://preview.redd.it/fh225z9bbahg1.png?width=960&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=71ece4301030e803123fdb5e016e877039ae4409"},{"y":616,"x":1080,"u":"https://preview.redd.it/fh225z9bbahg1.png?width=1080&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=796d436c9e863a4408dd32858052398126fc8778"}],"s":{"y":1208,"x":2116,"u":"https://preview.redd.it/fh225z9bbahg1.png?width=2116&format=png&auto=webp&s=754a90bc177ced64daed4bdba6c612c90083c608"},"id":"fh225z9bbahg1"}},"name":"t3_1qusifj","quarantine":false,"link_flair_text_color":"dark","upvote_ratio":0.99,"author_flair_background_color":null,"subreddit_type":"public","ups":162,"total_awards_received":0,"media_embed":{},"thumbnail_width":140,"author_flair_template_id":"9d802a98-b766-11e6-a40a-0e1cfceb9f30","is_original_content":false,"user_reports":[],"secure_media":null,"is_reddit_media_domain":false,"is_meta":false,"category":null,"secure_media_embed":{},"link_flair_text":"News","can_mod_post":false,"score":162,"approved_by":null,"is_created_from_ads_ui":false,"author_premium":false,"thumbnail":"https://external-preview.redd.it/TDG6TeiX7e66dzIdSP4_bnC6Igm8AgfQWivDCSWw8Gw.jpeg?width=140&height=79&auto=webp&s=5f58f680c5c91defaf24a6bef735b1dff7822ac1","edited":1770127391.0,"author_flair_css_class":null,"author_flair_richtext":[{"e":"text","t":"<-----King of the North!"}],"gildings":{},"content_categories":null,"is_self":true,"mod_note":null,"created":1770126827.0,"link_flair_type":"richtext","wls":7,"removed_by_category":null,"banned_by":null,"author_flair_type":"richtext","domain":"self.exjw","allow_live_comments":false,"selftext_html":"<!-- SC_OFF --><div class=\"md\"><p><a href=\"https://www.vl.no/nyheter/na-skal-hoyesterett-avgjore-jehovas-vitner-saken/10176316\">https://www.vl.no/nyheter/na-skal-hoyesterett-avgjore-jehovas-vitner-saken/10176316</a></p>\n\n<h1>The Supreme Court will now decide the Jehovah&#39;s Witnesses case</h1>\n\n<p><em>JEHOVAH&#39;S WITNESSES: &quot; It would be a disaster if religious freedom were to trump the rights of children,&quot; says former witness. Lawyer believes the Supreme Court must spend time familiarizing itself with the legal process.</em></p>\n\n<p><a href=\"https://preview.redd.it/fh225z9bbahg1.png?width=2116&amp;format=png&amp;auto=webp&amp;s=754a90bc177ced64daed4bdba6c612c90083c608\">Leander Djønne is an award winning writer and artist</a></p>\n\n<p>THIRD ROUND: A year ago, Leander Djønne testified in the trial where Jehovah&#39;s Witnesses won. When the case goes to the Supreme Court, he will stay away.</p>\n\n<p>&quot;The case is about how the rule of law should protect children and young people in our society. That is what is at stake. And I think it would be a disaster if religious freedom were to trump the rights of children and young people&quot;, says Leander Djønne.</p>\n\n<p>He is both an apple farmer and an award-winning author. After growing up as a Jehovah&#39;s Witnesses and being baptized at the age of 15, he resigned at the age of 16. In February last year, he was one of 28 people with a background from the religious community who testified in the Borgarting Court of Appeal, in the trial that ended with the religious community winning.</p>\n\n<p>&quot;It was disappointing. I had prepared well, had traveled from Western Norway to Oslo and tried to be completely open about my upbringing and what it was like&quot;, says Djønne.</p>\n\n<p>&quot;That is why I will keep my distance now that the case is going to the Supreme Court.&quot;</p>\n\n<p>Do Jehovah&#39;s Witnesses have the right to be registered as a religious community, with the rights it gives to state religious support?</p>\n\n<p>Or do some of the religious community&#39;s practices involve violations of children&#39;s rights, and sanctions that mean that members are not free to leave in practice? If that is the case, the state has the right to refuse to provide religious support to the religious community.</p>\n\n<p>In 2024, the Oslo District Court concluded that the state had the right to deny Jehovah&#39;s Witnesses state support. In 2025, the Borgarting Court of Appeal came to the opposite conclusion.</p>\n\n<p><strong>On February 5, the case between Jehovah&#39;s Witnesses and the state will go to the Supreme Court, after the Ministry of Children and Family Affairs appealed the ruling from Borgarting Court of Appeal.</strong></p>\n\n<p>Jehovah&#39;s Witnesses spokesperson Jørgen Pedersen writes in an email to Vårt Land that &quot;the decision to deny Jehovah&#39;s Witnesses registration and state subsidies is based on a misunderstanding of our faith and practice,&quot; and that they now look forward to the Supreme Court hearing the case. Read the full response from Jehovah&#39;s Witnesses in a separate fact box.</p>\n\n<p><strong>Expert: - Must look at the intention of the law</strong></p>\n\n<p>This will be the first time the Supreme Court has ruled on the application of the Religious Communities Act from 2021. Professor at the Faculty of Law in Oslo Vibeke Blaker Strand says she is excited to see how the Supreme Court will assess the law&#39;s criteria for state support against the specific activities of a religious community.</p>\n\n<p>&quot;I expect that the Supreme Court will be concerned with what the Storting wanted to achieve with the new Religious Act and the criteria it sets for receiving religious support.</p>\n\n<p>The most central legal text in the case is the Religious Act’s section 6, which states that religious communities can be denied funding if they “exercise violence or coercion, make threats, violate children’s rights, violate statutory prohibitions on discrimination or in other ways seriously violate the rights and freedoms of others.”</p>\n\n<p>Perhaps the most central question in the case is whether this legal text affects how Jehovah’s Witnesses distance themselves from those who have been disaffiliated and excluded. Furthermore, it is central whether the serious social consequences mean that members, especially minors, are in reality not free to disaffiliate.</p>\n\n<p>&quot;Children’s rights have been strengthened in the legal system otherwise, and have now also been included in the Religious Act. So I expect that the Supreme Court will examine the preparatory work and take a position on what the Storting’s intention has been,&quot; says Vibeke Blaker Strand.</p>\n\n<p>&quot;What do you consider to be the best arguments of the different sides in the case?&quot;</p>\n\n<p>&quot;For the state, I think that the legal history, and the desire to strengthen children&#39;s rights behind section 6 of the Religion Act, is something that benefits the state&#39;s case. So I&#39;m excited to see how the Supreme Court will emphasize this.&quot;</p>\n\n<p>&quot;Then I think that Jehovah&#39;s Witnesses will be concerned that the legal text is vague, and that the law&#39;s criteria are not very precise.&quot;</p>\n\n<p>The Supreme Court has set aside three days for the case, which begins on Thursday. It is possible to follow the case digitally on the Supreme Court&#39;s website.</p>\n\n<p><strong>Jehovah&#39;s Witnesses respond</strong></p>\n\n<p>Jehovah&#39;s Witnesses spokesperson Jørgen Pedersen has sent the following statement to Vårt Land:</p>\n\n<p>We believe that the decision to deny Jehovah&#39;s Witnesses registration and state subsidies is based on a wrong understanding of our faith and practice. All Jehovah&#39;s Witnesses - and especially parents and young people - find the accusations deeply hurtful because they do not match how we actually live and practice our faith.</p>\n\n<p>The Borgarting Court of Appeal unanimously concluded that the state&#39;s basis for refusing registration and state subsidies was incorrect, and we look forward to the Supreme Court now hearing the case.</p>\n\n<p>The State Administrator&#39;s decision, which is not based on any factual basis, has unfortunately contributed to stigmatization and prejudice against Jehovah&#39;s Witnesses in the workplace, in schools and in society in general. As far as we know, no other religious community in Norway has been met with such treatment. The decisions have also deprived the Witnesses of rights that more than 700 other religious and life-belief communities in Norway still have, including the right to receive state subsidies and to perform weddings.</p>\n\n<p>Therefore, the case in the Supreme Court is not only about Jehovah&#39;s Witnesses, but about fundamental legal security and human rights for all citizens in Norway. 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{"approved_at_utc":null,"subreddit":"exjw","selftext":"Like mentioned before in articles, I get messages from all over the world. Right now, and through these last five years. \n\nI was thinking about trying to make an article out of it. For my own sake, for memory, for an upcoming book, or I will check if something like that would be interesting for a newspaper. \n\nAnyway, I have lots of messages, stories, names and comments already, but I can always use more. There's a lot of work trying to go back and collect them all. I do read every one, but sadly I haven't been able to collect them into a system. \nThis is where you come in. \n\nIf you want to be a part of this, comment under here, or if you feel shy or whatever, find me on Meta and send me a message. Don't bust your cover if you are in hiding, but find a balance. \n\nTell me:\n- Where in this planet are you? As accurate as you are comfortable with. City, or at least State, country. \n- How do you feel about the Norwegian process, some thoughts.\n- why does this mean something for you, for your life?\n- Any words I can share with my fellow misfits who are kind of worn out after their struggles these years? \n","author_fullname":"t2_13lcbzt","saved":false,"mod_reason_title":null,"gilded":0,"clicked":false,"title":"I need your Point of View - JW vs Norway","link_flair_richtext":[{"e":"text","t":"Activism"}],"subreddit_name_prefixed":"r/exjw","hidden":false,"pwls":7,"link_flair_css_class":"activism","downs":0,"thumbnail_height":null,"top_awarded_type":null,"hide_score":false,"name":"t3_1qs9jop","quarantine":false,"link_flair_text_color":"dark","upvote_ratio":0.99,"author_flair_background_color":null,"subreddit_type":"public","ups":78,"total_awards_received":0,"media_embed":{},"thumbnail_width":null,"author_flair_template_id":"9d802a98-b766-11e6-a40a-0e1cfceb9f30","is_original_content":false,"user_reports":[],"secure_media":null,"is_reddit_media_domain":false,"is_meta":false,"category":null,"secure_media_embed":{},"link_flair_text":"Activism","can_mod_post":false,"score":78,"approved_by":null,"is_created_from_ads_ui":false,"author_premium":false,"thumbnail":"self","edited":1769883138.0,"author_flair_css_class":null,"author_flair_richtext":[{"e":"text","t":"<-----King of the North!"}],"gildings":{},"content_categories":null,"is_self":true,"mod_note":null,"created":1769882925.0,"link_flair_type":"richtext","wls":7,"removed_by_category":null,"banned_by":null,"author_flair_type":"richtext","domain":"self.exjw","allow_live_comments":false,"selftext_html":"<!-- SC_OFF --><div class=\"md\"><p>Like mentioned before in articles, I get messages from all over the world. Right now, and through these last five years. </p>\n\n<p>I was thinking about trying to make an article out of it. For my own sake, for memory, for an upcoming book, or I will check if something like that would be interesting for a newspaper. </p>\n\n<p>Anyway, I have lots of messages, stories, names and comments already, but I can always use more. There&#39;s a lot of work trying to go back and collect them all. I do read every one, but sadly I haven&#39;t been able to collect them into a system. \nThis is where you come in. </p>\n\n<p>If you want to be a part of this, comment under here, or if you feel shy or whatever, find me on Meta and send me a message. Don&#39;t bust your cover if you are in hiding, but find a balance. </p>\n\n<p>Tell me:\n- Where in this planet are you? As accurate as you are comfortable with. City, or at least State, country. \n- How do you feel about the Norwegian process, some thoughts.\n- why does this mean something for you, for your life?\n- Any words I can share with my fellow misfits who are kind of worn out after their struggles these years? </p>\n</div><!-- SC_ON -->","likes":null,"suggested_sort":null,"banned_at_utc":null,"view_count":null,"archived":false,"no_follow":false,"is_crosspostable":false,"pinned":false,"over_18":false,"all_awardings":[],"awarders":[],"media_only":false,"link_flair_template_id":"afe8a0fa-6405-11e8-b16d-0e2ea4793606","can_gild":false,"spoiler":false,"locked":false,"author_flair_text":"<-----King of the North!","treatment_tags":[],"visited":false,"removed_by":null,"num_reports":null,"distinguished":null,"subreddit_id":"t5_2qp5l","author_is_blocked":false,"mod_reason_by":null,"removal_reason":null,"link_flair_background_color":"#bbbdbf","id":"1qs9jop","is_robot_indexable":true,"report_reasons":null,"author":"FrodeKommode","discussion_type":null,"num_comments":30,"send_replies":true,"contest_mode":false,"mod_reports":[],"author_patreon_flair":false,"author_flair_text_color":"dark","permalink":"/r/exjw/comments/1qs9jop/i_need_your_point_of_view_jw_vs_norway/","stickied":false,"url":"https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/1qs9jop/i_need_your_point_of_view_jw_vs_norway/","subreddit_subscribers":119984,"created_utc":1769882925.0,"num_crossposts":0,"media":null,"is_video":false}
{"approved_at_utc":null,"subreddit":"exjw","selftext":"[https://www.fvn.no/mening/leder/i/lnz4Wy/ikke-statsstoette-uten-betingelser](https://www.fvn.no/mening/leder/i/lnz4Wy/ikke-statsstoette-uten-betingelser)\n\nOpen, please press the link if you read this, I want your clicks.\n\nTranslation:\n\nFædrelandsvennen Editorial comment:\n\n# No state aid without conditions\n\n*Processing img pb3bj0bbrggg1...*\n\n  \n\n\nThe Supreme Court's treatment of Jehovah's Witnesses is not primarily about freedom of religion. It is more about society's limits on state aid to religious communities.\n\nJehovah's Witnesses lost to the state in the district court, but won in the court of appeal. Now the Supreme Court will decide the case.\n\n**You are now reading an editorial.**\n\nBig words are being used about the decision that the Supreme Court will soon make. Spokesman Jørgen Pedersen at the Scandinavian office of Jehovah's Witnesses says the case should concern everyone who wants to \"practice their faith without state intervention\". The organization's lawyer Anders Ryssdal believes that it will create \"considerable legal uncertainty for other religious communities\" if the state wins.\n\nSupreme Court decides on state aid to Jehovah's Witnesses\n\nThe reason is that the state has refused to pay out state subsidies to Jehovah's Witnesses. The then state administrator in Akershus, Valgerd Svarstad Haugland, put her foot down when the grant for 2021 was to be paid out. She believed that the organization violated important human rights, and thus the terms of the Religious Communities Act. Specifically, this concerned, among other things, children's rights and the members' free right to resign from Jehovah's Witnesses, when the practice was social isolation and loss of contact with friends and family.\n\nThe state prevailed with its view in the district court, while Jehovah's Witnesses appealed and were successful in the Court of Appeal.\n\nThose who defend Jehovah's Witnesses are right that this is a fundamentally important issue. That is why it is followed closely by many, not least other religious communities. But the principle is not primarily about freedom of religion. Fortunately, it has very broad support, as it must have in a liberal society. And in that freedom lies the right to believe and think something different from what the majority does.\n\nThe principle of this case is whether the state should be obliged to provide financial support to all types of religious communities, regardless of how these communities treat their members. This is not about being able to \"practice one's faith without state intervention\", but whether the state should provide support to religious communities with practices that go against central human rights. Fædrelandsvennen has written about this in several cases in its reportage space, cases that have also been part of the basis for the state not to provide the grants.\n\n**When the Supreme Court is to hear this complex of cases in February, the interests of an organization should not weigh most heavily, but the interests of its members.**","author_fullname":"t2_13lcbzt","saved":false,"mod_reason_title":null,"gilded":0,"clicked":false,"title":"Editorial support JW vs Norway","link_flair_richtext":[{"e":"text","t":"News"}],"subreddit_name_prefixed":"r/exjw","hidden":false,"pwls":7,"link_flair_css_class":"news","downs":0,"thumbnail_height":81,"top_awarded_type":null,"hide_score":false,"media_metadata":null,"name":"t3_1qqcesa","quarantine":false,"link_flair_text_color":"dark","upvote_ratio":0.98,"author_flair_background_color":null,"subreddit_type":"public","ups":69,"total_awards_received":0,"media_embed":{},"thumbnail_width":140,"author_flair_template_id":"9d802a98-b766-11e6-a40a-0e1cfceb9f30","is_original_content":false,"user_reports":[],"secure_media":null,"is_reddit_media_domain":false,"is_meta":false,"category":null,"secure_media_embed":{},"link_flair_text":"News","can_mod_post":false,"score":69,"approved_by":null,"is_created_from_ads_ui":false,"author_premium":false,"thumbnail":"https://external-preview.redd.it/e_Os0zRty0Vh0eb8uG_4tCYNdi2iAWfkc6ti8nklIsM.jpeg?width=140&height=81&auto=webp&s=40312308695899e62310ed7a540b6035b512250e","edited":1769768839.0,"author_flair_css_class":null,"author_flair_richtext":[{"e":"text","t":"<-----King of the North!"}],"gildings":{},"content_categories":null,"is_self":true,"mod_note":null,"created":1769702237.0,"link_flair_type":"richtext","wls":7,"removed_by_category":null,"banned_by":null,"author_flair_type":"richtext","domain":"self.exjw","allow_live_comments":false,"selftext_html":"<!-- SC_OFF --><div class=\"md\"><p><a href=\"https://www.fvn.no/mening/leder/i/lnz4Wy/ikke-statsstoette-uten-betingelser\">https://www.fvn.no/mening/leder/i/lnz4Wy/ikke-statsstoette-uten-betingelser</a></p>\n\n<p>Open, please press the link if you read this, I want your clicks.</p>\n\n<p>Translation:</p>\n\n<p>Fædrelandsvennen Editorial comment:</p>\n\n<h1>No state aid without conditions</h1>\n\n<p><em>Processing img pb3bj0bbrggg1...</em></p>\n\n<p>The Supreme Court&#39;s treatment of Jehovah&#39;s Witnesses is not primarily about freedom of religion. It is more about society&#39;s limits on state aid to religious communities.</p>\n\n<p>Jehovah&#39;s Witnesses lost to the state in the district court, but won in the court of appeal. Now the Supreme Court will decide the case.</p>\n\n<p><strong>You are now reading an editorial.</strong></p>\n\n<p>Big words are being used about the decision that the Supreme Court will soon make. Spokesman Jørgen Pedersen at the Scandinavian office of Jehovah&#39;s Witnesses says the case should concern everyone who wants to &quot;practice their faith without state intervention&quot;. The organization&#39;s lawyer Anders Ryssdal believes that it will create &quot;considerable legal uncertainty for other religious communities&quot; if the state wins.</p>\n\n<p>Supreme Court decides on state aid to Jehovah&#39;s Witnesses</p>\n\n<p>The reason is that the state has refused to pay out state subsidies to Jehovah&#39;s Witnesses. The then state administrator in Akershus, Valgerd Svarstad Haugland, put her foot down when the grant for 2021 was to be paid out. She believed that the organization violated important human rights, and thus the terms of the Religious Communities Act. Specifically, this concerned, among other things, children&#39;s rights and the members&#39; free right to resign from Jehovah&#39;s Witnesses, when the practice was social isolation and loss of contact with friends and family.</p>\n\n<p>The state prevailed with its view in the district court, while Jehovah&#39;s Witnesses appealed and were successful in the Court of Appeal.</p>\n\n<p>Those who defend Jehovah&#39;s Witnesses are right that this is a fundamentally important issue. That is why it is followed closely by many, not least other religious communities. But the principle is not primarily about freedom of religion. Fortunately, it has very broad support, as it must have in a liberal society. And in that freedom lies the right to believe and think something different from what the majority does.</p>\n\n<p>The principle of this case is whether the state should be obliged to provide financial support to all types of religious communities, regardless of how these communities treat their members. This is not about being able to &quot;practice one&#39;s faith without state intervention&quot;, but whether the state should provide support to religious communities with practices that go against central human rights. Fædrelandsvennen has written about this in several cases in its reportage space, cases that have also been part of the basis for the state not to provide the grants.</p>\n\n<p><strong>When the Supreme Court is to hear this complex of cases in February, the interests of an organization should not weigh most heavily, but the interests of its members.</strong></p>\n</div><!-- SC_ON -->","likes":null,"suggested_sort":null,"banned_at_utc":null,"view_count":null,"archived":false,"no_follow":false,"is_crosspostable":false,"pinned":false,"over_18":false,"all_awardings":[],"awarders":[],"media_only":false,"link_flair_template_id":"ab1fff82-6405-11e8-86f3-0e5f20cd29ce","can_gild":false,"spoiler":false,"locked":false,"author_flair_text":"<-----King of the North!","treatment_tags":[],"visited":false,"removed_by":null,"num_reports":null,"distinguished":null,"subreddit_id":"t5_2qp5l","author_is_blocked":false,"mod_reason_by":null,"removal_reason":null,"link_flair_background_color":"#bbbdbf","id":"1qqcesa","is_robot_indexable":true,"report_reasons":null,"author":"FrodeKommode","discussion_type":null,"num_comments":29,"send_replies":true,"contest_mode":false,"mod_reports":[],"author_patreon_flair":false,"author_flair_text_color":"dark","permalink":"/r/exjw/comments/1qqcesa/editorial_support_jw_vs_norway/","stickied":false,"url":"https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/1qqcesa/editorial_support_jw_vs_norway/","subreddit_subscribers":119984,"created_utc":1769702237.0,"num_crossposts":0,"media":null,"is_video":false}
{"approved_at_utc":null,"subreddit":"exjw","selftext":"[https://www.fvn.no/nyheter/lokalt/i/6qkzg8/hoeyesterett-avgjoer-statsstoetten-til-jehovas-vitner](https://www.fvn.no/nyheter/lokalt/i/6qkzg8/hoeyesterett-avgjoer-statsstoetten-til-jehovas-vitner)\n\n# Supreme Court rules on state support for Jehovah's Witnesses\n\nTarjei Leer-Salvesen\n\nhttps://preview.redd.it/17ckt9eoqofg1.png?width=1000&format=png&auto=webp&s=8cd16db6f83c8b2bcdaa967a3be8d569727969b1\n\nLarge sums of money and important principles are at stake when the Supreme Court in February hears the dispute between the State and Jehovah's Witnesses.\n\n**In short**\n\n*In February, the Supreme Court will rule on an important case between the State and Jehovah's Witnesses, which could have major financial consequences.*\n\n*The government attorney is challenging the Court of Appeal's decision in which Jehovah's Witnesses were found guilty, after losing state support due to alleged human rights violations.*\n\n*Jehovah's Witnesses are demanding back pay that could potentially exceed NOK 80 million.*\n\n*The case has led to changes in Jehovah's Witnesses' practice, including a relaxation of exclusion rules and improvements regarding minors.*\n\n*The outcome may affect principles for state support for religious communities.*\n\nFormer state administrator Valgerd Svarstad Haugland in Oslo and Viken decided not to pay state subsidies to the Jehovah's Witnesses religious community for 2021. This was the starting point for a legal process that has been ongoing since then, and which will now be decided in the Supreme Court. The case is scheduled for three full days in February.\n\nThe state administrator believed that the religious community violated key conditions in the Religious Communities Act. It was about the human rights of the members. The question the court had to decide was about children's rights and whether members really have the right to resign from Jehovah's Witnesses on a free basis when the practice of social isolation means losing contact with friends and family.\n\nThe state's view prevailed in the district court. But the Jehovah's Witnesses appealed, and were successful in the Borgarting Court of Appeal last year. There, the state was ordered to pay back subsidies and cover the religious community's legal costs. The Court of Appeal found it not probable that the Jehovah's Witnesses' practice constituted a violation of the members' right to freely withdraw from a religious community.\n\nIt is this judgment that the government attorney has now taken to the Supreme Court.\n\n**Large amounts of money**\n\nFor the first two years that the Jehovah's Witnesses were deprived of state support, they demanded backpayment of 35 million kroner.\n\nWhen the case is finally to be discussed in the Supreme Court, the Jehovah's Witnesses believe that they are owed payment for a full five years. This means that the sum will quickly rise to more than 80 million kroner. The exact amount has not yet been calculated. \n\nThe case will also have consequences for the period ahead.\n\n**Exhausting process**\n\nJan Frode Nilsen from Risør has played an important role in the case. He was one of the witnesses who contributed as a source in the Fædrelandsvennen articles that were part of the backdrop for the process that the authorities initiated, and in a later NRK documentary. He eventually came forward openly and spoke about his experiences, and was excluded from the religious community. He experienced that friends and family broke off contact with him when it happened.\n\nThis very practice of social exclusion and isolation has been part of the contentious issue in the trials.\n\n\" It was heartbreaking to hear the stories of many of the other witnesses, especially the women, who testified in the district court and the court of appeal, says Nilsen, who also contributed his experiences to both courts.\"\n\nNow he is looking forward to a full stop to what he describes as an exhausting process.\n\n\" For me, this has been going on since I contributed to your newspaper in 2017 and onwards. In the first years, we outcasts experienced quite a lot of support in society when we told how we felt.\"\n\nHe believes that support has largely eroded now.\n\n\" It was as if the spirit of the times had changed. While dissidents who break with conservative Muslim circles are being cheered on, parts of the commentary corps turned against us and highlighted the right of Jehovah's Witnesses to have these rules that I believe violate human rights,\" he says.\n\n**Led to change**\n\nRegardless of how the case now ends in the Supreme Court, Nilsen believes the process has had positive consequences.\n\nAfter the state subsidy for the religious community was withdrawn, Jehovah's Witnesses made some changes. The newspaper Vårt Land described it as softening the treatment of outcasts. In addition, the practice was changed when it comes to judicial committees targeting minors.\n\nNilsen puts it this way:\n\n\" After what has happened, a 16-year-old girl in Peru will not have to tell three old men about her sexual debut in a judicial committee. These changes apply worldwide. If the congregation is curious about something about a minor, they should talk to the parents.\"\n\nHe and the other key Norwegian ex-Witnesses are now receiving messages from members and ex-members all over the world. Many are following the process in Norway.\n\n**Won through**\n\nThe dispute over the state subsidy in Jehovah's Witnesses touches on fundamental issues, and is closely followed by other religious communities who are also fighting for their identity. The congregation Samfundet in Kristiansand and Brunstad Christian Church have both used the same lawyer as Jehovah's Witnesses, Anders Ryssdal as attorney the Glittertind company.\n\nBrunstad Christian Church won its case last summer, and is still allowed to receive state subsidies and be registered as a religious community.\n\nIn October, the Samfundet Church also won. That case was decided by the ministry, which reviewed the state administrator's decision.\n\n\"What is at stake in this case now?\"\n\n\"All religious communities are basically entitled to state subsidies. The money has an important practical side for Jehovah's Witnesses. In addition, the case has a principled side,\" says lawyer Anders Ryssdal to Fædrelandsvennen.\n\n\" If the State wins, considerable legal uncertainty will be created for other religious communities. Then we have a situation where the State considers how the churches organize their inner life\", he says.\n\nRyssdal says he expects a thorough examination of the principled aspects of the case in the Supreme Court, where human rights are compared with Norwegian case law.\n\n\" All cases have a unique character. The value of this legal process is that the Supreme Court's statements often contain assessments of a general nature that could potentially have significance for others\" , he says.\n\n**\"Of great importance\"**\n\n\"We agree that this case is of great importance. It should concern everyone who wants to practice their faith without state intervention,\" writes spokesman Jørgen Pedersen of the Scandinavian office of Jehovah's Witnesses to Fædrelandsvennen.\n\nHe believes it is unreasonable that the State Administrator revoked both the registration and the state subsidy based on the authorities' interpretation of beliefs and religious practice.\n\n\"After more than four years, Jehovah's Witnesses are still the only religious community that has been deprived of registration because of their beliefs. The Norwegian state's accusations are deeply offensive and stigmatizing towards Jehovah's Witnesses - especially towards parents who love their children, and young people who are grateful for their upbringing,\" he writes.\n\n**This is the case**\n\n*The State Administrator denied Jehovah's Witnesses grants from 2021 onwards, and believed that the religious community does not meet the requirements for public registration under the new Religious Communities Act.*\n\n*Jehovah's Witnesses filed a lawsuit against the state, and lost in the district court.*\n\n*In the appeal case that was decided in Borgarting Court of Appeal in 2025, Jehovah's Witnesses won. The state was ordered to pay back the money and had to cover the legal costs.*\n\n*Now the state has appealed the case to the Supreme Court. The case will go to trial in February, and a verdict is expected in the spring. The case is about children's rights and about Jehovah's Witnesses' practice of breaking contact with expelled members and whether this violates the Religious Communities Act.*","author_fullname":"t2_13lcbzt","saved":false,"mod_reason_title":null,"gilded":0,"clicked":false,"title":"Supreme Court will rule on State support for Jehovah's Witnesses","link_flair_richtext":[{"e":"text","t":"News"}],"subreddit_name_prefixed":"r/exjw","hidden":false,"pwls":7,"link_flair_css_class":"news","downs":0,"thumbnail_height":103,"top_awarded_type":null,"hide_score":false,"media_metadata":{"17ckt9eoqofg1":{"status":"valid","e":"Image","m":"image/png","p":[{"y":79,"x":108,"u":"https://preview.redd.it/17ckt9eoqofg1.png?width=108&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=ba68a85452fca037df2dc74694d72b0731385f82"},{"y":159,"x":216,"u":"https://preview.redd.it/17ckt9eoqofg1.png?width=216&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=b41072d88b824817b130f12ff19c86f20a8597ff"},{"y":235,"x":320,"u":"https://preview.redd.it/17ckt9eoqofg1.png?width=320&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=d9fadc194e575a99b0ef1b8d3c9561496307ced4"},{"y":471,"x":640,"u":"https://preview.redd.it/17ckt9eoqofg1.png?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=dadcc3b426e9cdf6b7feca093b2a0349155648b8"},{"y":707,"x":960,"u":"https://preview.redd.it/17ckt9eoqofg1.png?width=960&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=38b03c5141a6254c0a810a490a9810d8ffce6be0"}],"s":{"y":737,"x":1000,"u":"https://preview.redd.it/17ckt9eoqofg1.png?width=1000&format=png&auto=webp&s=8cd16db6f83c8b2bcdaa967a3be8d569727969b1"},"id":"17ckt9eoqofg1"}},"name":"t3_1qmu7pz","quarantine":false,"link_flair_text_color":"dark","upvote_ratio":0.99,"author_flair_background_color":null,"subreddit_type":"public","ups":109,"total_awards_received":0,"media_embed":{},"thumbnail_width":140,"author_flair_template_id":"9d802a98-b766-11e6-a40a-0e1cfceb9f30","is_original_content":false,"user_reports":[],"secure_media":null,"is_reddit_media_domain":false,"is_meta":false,"category":null,"secure_media_embed":{},"link_flair_text":"News","can_mod_post":false,"score":109,"approved_by":null,"is_created_from_ads_ui":false,"author_premium":false,"thumbnail":"https://b.thumbs.redditmedia.com/_ctXDa47nWOXYyWkuROu3kk7UHRMVoue4gqBWgxBnVs.jpg","edited":1769429615.0,"author_flair_css_class":null,"author_flair_richtext":[{"e":"text","t":"<-----King of the North!"}],"gildings":{},"content_categories":null,"is_self":true,"mod_note":null,"created":1769372494.0,"link_flair_type":"richtext","wls":7,"removed_by_category":null,"banned_by":null,"author_flair_type":"richtext","domain":"self.exjw","allow_live_comments":false,"selftext_html":"<!-- SC_OFF --><div class=\"md\"><p><a href=\"https://www.fvn.no/nyheter/lokalt/i/6qkzg8/hoeyesterett-avgjoer-statsstoetten-til-jehovas-vitner\">https://www.fvn.no/nyheter/lokalt/i/6qkzg8/hoeyesterett-avgjoer-statsstoetten-til-jehovas-vitner</a></p>\n\n<h1>Supreme Court rules on state support for Jehovah&#39;s Witnesses</h1>\n\n<p>Tarjei Leer-Salvesen</p>\n\n<p><a href=\"https://preview.redd.it/17ckt9eoqofg1.png?width=1000&amp;format=png&amp;auto=webp&amp;s=8cd16db6f83c8b2bcdaa967a3be8d569727969b1\">https://preview.redd.it/17ckt9eoqofg1.png?width=1000&amp;format=png&amp;auto=webp&amp;s=8cd16db6f83c8b2bcdaa967a3be8d569727969b1</a></p>\n\n<p>Large sums of money and important principles are at stake when the Supreme Court in February hears the dispute between the State and Jehovah&#39;s Witnesses.</p>\n\n<p><strong>In short</strong></p>\n\n<p><em>In February, the Supreme Court will rule on an important case between the State and Jehovah&#39;s Witnesses, which could have major financial consequences.</em></p>\n\n<p><em>The government attorney is challenging the Court of Appeal&#39;s decision in which Jehovah&#39;s Witnesses were found guilty, after losing state support due to alleged human rights violations.</em></p>\n\n<p><em>Jehovah&#39;s Witnesses are demanding back pay that could potentially exceed NOK 80 million.</em></p>\n\n<p><em>The case has led to changes in Jehovah&#39;s Witnesses&#39; practice, including a relaxation of exclusion rules and improvements regarding minors.</em></p>\n\n<p><em>The outcome may affect principles for state support for religious communities.</em></p>\n\n<p>Former state administrator Valgerd Svarstad Haugland in Oslo and Viken decided not to pay state subsidies to the Jehovah&#39;s Witnesses religious community for 2021. This was the starting point for a legal process that has been ongoing since then, and which will now be decided in the Supreme Court. The case is scheduled for three full days in February.</p>\n\n<p>The state administrator believed that the religious community violated key conditions in the Religious Communities Act. It was about the human rights of the members. The question the court had to decide was about children&#39;s rights and whether members really have the right to resign from Jehovah&#39;s Witnesses on a free basis when the practice of social isolation means losing contact with friends and family.</p>\n\n<p>The state&#39;s view prevailed in the district court. But the Jehovah&#39;s Witnesses appealed, and were successful in the Borgarting Court of Appeal last year. There, the state was ordered to pay back subsidies and cover the religious community&#39;s legal costs. The Court of Appeal found it not probable that the Jehovah&#39;s Witnesses&#39; practice constituted a violation of the members&#39; right to freely withdraw from a religious community.</p>\n\n<p>It is this judgment that the government attorney has now taken to the Supreme Court.</p>\n\n<p><strong>Large amounts of money</strong></p>\n\n<p>For the first two years that the Jehovah&#39;s Witnesses were deprived of state support, they demanded backpayment of 35 million kroner.</p>\n\n<p>When the case is finally to be discussed in the Supreme Court, the Jehovah&#39;s Witnesses believe that they are owed payment for a full five years. This means that the sum will quickly rise to more than 80 million kroner. The exact amount has not yet been calculated. </p>\n\n<p>The case will also have consequences for the period ahead.</p>\n\n<p><strong>Exhausting process</strong></p>\n\n<p>Jan Frode Nilsen from Risør has played an important role in the case. He was one of the witnesses who contributed as a source in the Fædrelandsvennen articles that were part of the backdrop for the process that the authorities initiated, and in a later NRK documentary. He eventually came forward openly and spoke about his experiences, and was excluded from the religious community. He experienced that friends and family broke off contact with him when it happened.</p>\n\n<p>This very practice of social exclusion and isolation has been part of the contentious issue in the trials.</p>\n\n<p>&quot; It was heartbreaking to hear the stories of many of the other witnesses, especially the women, who testified in the district court and the court of appeal, says Nilsen, who also contributed his experiences to both courts.&quot;</p>\n\n<p>Now he is looking forward to a full stop to what he describes as an exhausting process.</p>\n\n<p>&quot; For me, this has been going on since I contributed to your newspaper in 2017 and onwards. In the first years, we outcasts experienced quite a lot of support in society when we told how we felt.&quot;</p>\n\n<p>He believes that support has largely eroded now.</p>\n\n<p>&quot; It was as if the spirit of the times had changed. While dissidents who break with conservative Muslim circles are being cheered on, parts of the commentary corps turned against us and highlighted the right of Jehovah&#39;s Witnesses to have these rules that I believe violate human rights,&quot; he says.</p>\n\n<p><strong>Led to change</strong></p>\n\n<p>Regardless of how the case now ends in the Supreme Court, Nilsen believes the process has had positive consequences.</p>\n\n<p>After the state subsidy for the religious community was withdrawn, Jehovah&#39;s Witnesses made some changes. The newspaper Vårt Land described it as softening the treatment of outcasts. In addition, the practice was changed when it comes to judicial committees targeting minors.</p>\n\n<p>Nilsen puts it this way:</p>\n\n<p>&quot; After what has happened, a 16-year-old girl in Peru will not have to tell three old men about her sexual debut in a judicial committee. These changes apply worldwide. If the congregation is curious about something about a minor, they should talk to the parents.&quot;</p>\n\n<p>He and the other key Norwegian ex-Witnesses are now receiving messages from members and ex-members all over the world. Many are following the process in Norway.</p>\n\n<p><strong>Won through</strong></p>\n\n<p>The dispute over the state subsidy in Jehovah&#39;s Witnesses touches on fundamental issues, and is closely followed by other religious communities who are also fighting for their identity. The congregation Samfundet in Kristiansand and Brunstad Christian Church have both used the same lawyer as Jehovah&#39;s Witnesses, Anders Ryssdal as attorney the Glittertind company.</p>\n\n<p>Brunstad Christian Church won its case last summer, and is still allowed to receive state subsidies and be registered as a religious community.</p>\n\n<p>In October, the Samfundet Church also won. That case was decided by the ministry, which reviewed the state administrator&#39;s decision.</p>\n\n<p>&quot;What is at stake in this case now?&quot;</p>\n\n<p>&quot;All religious communities are basically entitled to state subsidies. The money has an important practical side for Jehovah&#39;s Witnesses. In addition, the case has a principled side,&quot; says lawyer Anders Ryssdal to Fædrelandsvennen.</p>\n\n<p>&quot; If the State wins, considerable legal uncertainty will be created for other religious communities. Then we have a situation where the State considers how the churches organize their inner life&quot;, he says.</p>\n\n<p>Ryssdal says he expects a thorough examination of the principled aspects of the case in the Supreme Court, where human rights are compared with Norwegian case law.</p>\n\n<p>&quot; All cases have a unique character. The value of this legal process is that the Supreme Court&#39;s statements often contain assessments of a general nature that could potentially have significance for others&quot; , he says.</p>\n\n<p><strong>&quot;Of great importance&quot;</strong></p>\n\n<p>&quot;We agree that this case is of great importance. It should concern everyone who wants to practice their faith without state intervention,&quot; writes spokesman Jørgen Pedersen of the Scandinavian office of Jehovah&#39;s Witnesses to Fædrelandsvennen.</p>\n\n<p>He believes it is unreasonable that the State Administrator revoked both the registration and the state subsidy based on the authorities&#39; interpretation of beliefs and religious practice.</p>\n\n<p>&quot;After more than four years, Jehovah&#39;s Witnesses are still the only religious community that has been deprived of registration because of their beliefs. The Norwegian state&#39;s accusations are deeply offensive and stigmatizing towards Jehovah&#39;s Witnesses - especially towards parents who love their children, and young people who are grateful for their upbringing,&quot; he writes.</p>\n\n<p><strong>This is the case</strong></p>\n\n<p><em>The State Administrator denied Jehovah&#39;s Witnesses grants from 2021 onwards, and believed that the religious community does not meet the requirements for public registration under the new Religious Communities Act.</em></p>\n\n<p><em>Jehovah&#39;s Witnesses filed a lawsuit against the state, and lost in the district court.</em></p>\n\n<p><em>In the appeal case that was decided in Borgarting Court of Appeal in 2025, Jehovah&#39;s Witnesses won. The state was ordered to pay back the money and had to cover the legal costs.</em></p>\n\n<p><em>Now the state has appealed the case to the Supreme Court. The case will go to trial in February, and a verdict is expected in the spring. 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{"approved_at_utc":null,"subreddit":"exjw","selftext":"OK friends, I'll pop back in here for a while now that the Supreme Court is getting closer. There's always a lot of confusion, questions and (sadly) misinformation circulating when we go back into court in this case.\n\nI'll do a short summary of everything here, but deeper  information can be picked up if you go through my profile history.\n\n**Some of them here:**\n\n**2019**, back when this started, I blew my fade on this article:  \n[https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/dose5t/exjw\\_norway\\_strikes\\_back\\_today\\_massive\\_exposure/](https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/dose5t/exjw_norway_strikes_back_today_massive_exposure/)\n\n**2021**, when we got the first administrative decision:  \n[https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/y33ga3/my\\_written\\_piece\\_published\\_after\\_the\\_decision\\_in/](https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/y33ga3/my_written_piece_published_after_the_decision_in/)\n\n**2022**, the administrative process continues and concludes:  \n[https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/ykw9sw/jw\\_norway\\_have\\_been\\_given\\_4\\_weeks\\_to\\_end\\_shunning/](https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/ykw9sw/jw_norway_have_been_given_4_weeks_to_end_shunning/)\n\n[https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/zsqwl5/its\\_gone\\_jw\\_norways\\_legal\\_registration/](https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/zsqwl5/its_gone_jw_norways_legal_registration/)\n\n[First court appeareance, 2023 injunction lawsuit](https://preview.redd.it/ibspxnag6pdg1.png?width=1484&format=png&auto=webp&s=9cc17c0bcc5546ac2517f14b63dc9e4ad46198e6)\n\n**2023**, the legal process starts with the first court case, the injunction lawsuit :  \n  \n[https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/107d31q/summarystatus\\_regarding\\_norway/](https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/107d31q/summarystatus_regarding_norway/)\n\n[https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/126tik1/regarding\\_norway\\_and\\_todays\\_trial/](https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/126tik1/regarding_norway_and_todays_trial/)\n\n[https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/130cwcm/we\\_won\\_first\\_round\\_verdict\\_is\\_out\\_norway\\_vs\\_wt\\_10/](https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/130cwcm/we_won_first_round_verdict_is_out_norway_vs_wt_10/)\n\n[https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/136gtqe/the\\_magazine\\_story\\_in\\_norways\\_third\\_larges/](https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/136gtqe/the_magazine_story_in_norways_third_larges/)\n\n[Beers the night before testifying in District Court, 2024. Therese, myself and Noomi. Looking cool on the outside. ](https://preview.redd.it/2sfhcpoo6pdg1.png?width=1798&format=png&auto=webp&s=8aaefd3adc3ba2c853537976cde4578625eed787)\n\n**2024**, second appearance in court, the main lawsuit, first level:  \n[https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/18y9zw2/norway\\_vs\\_jw\\_main\\_trial\\_starts\\_monday\\_written/](https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/18y9zw2/norway_vs_jw_main_trial_starts_monday_written/)  \n[https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/191ll5n/my\\_written\\_opinion\\_published\\_as\\_the\\_trial\\_jw\\_vs/](https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/191ll5n/my_written_opinion_published_as_the_trial_jw_vs/)\n\n[https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/1953xno/spoke\\_the\\_truth\\_today\\_with\\_my\\_friends/](https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/1953xno/spoke_the_truth_today_with_my_friends/)  \n[https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/1b6edii/full\\_victory\\_jw\\_vs\\_norway/](https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/1b6edii/full_victory_jw_vs_norway/)\n\n[https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/1b9kdr4/jw\\_vs\\_norway\\_official\\_verdict\\_official\\_website/](https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/1b9kdr4/jw_vs_norway_official_verdict_official_website/)\n\n[EXJW travellers from all over the world came to support us in the Appeals Court, 2025](https://preview.redd.it/3rfqo7e67pdg1.png?width=960&format=png&auto=webp&s=ce199c2a5af139cd4dd1f87240a98ffe8a65ad5a)\n\n**2025**, appeals court. Third time in three years I had to testify in court:  \n  \n[https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/1gh3ilq/wt\\_vs\\_norway\\_wt\\_sends\\_letter\\_to\\_the\\_goverment/](https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/1gh3ilq/wt_vs_norway_wt_sends_letter_to_the_goverment/)\n\n[https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/1gwqon6/norway\\_have\\_responded\\_to\\_wts\\_letter\\_asking\\_for/](https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/1gwqon6/norway_have_responded_to_wts_letter_asking_for/)\n\n[https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/1ict8zd/jw\\_vs\\_norway\\_court\\_is\\_set\\_monday\\_february\\_3rd\\_ask/](https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/1ict8zd/jw_vs_norway_court_is_set_monday_february_3rd_ask/)\n\n[https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/1jb6uq8/verdict\\_in\\_norwegian\\_and\\_my\\_first\\_analysis/](https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/1jb6uq8/verdict_in_norwegian_and_my_first_analysis/)\n\n[https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/1jbx3ur/written\\_opinion\\_published\\_regarding\\_norway\\_vs\\_jw/](https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/1jbx3ur/written_opinion_published_regarding_norway_vs_jw/)\n\n[https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/1n8ahqs/jw\\_vs\\_norway\\_supreme\\_court\\_scheduled\\_04th06th/](https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/1n8ahqs/jw_vs_norway_supreme_court_scheduled_04th06th/)\n\nAvoidjw.org has a lot of articles about Norway\n\n[https://avoidjw.org/court/norway-supreme-court-shunning-childrens-rights-appeal/](https://avoidjw.org/court/norway-supreme-court-shunning-childrens-rights-appeal/)\n\n**Now this will be decided in the Supreme Court.**\n\n**Some questions/answers**:\n\n**SC session, 5th, 6th and 9th of February in Oslo. 09:00-14;30 CET.**\n\n* As stated in the pinned post, the court sessions will be streamed online. This will be in Norwegian, but through the court's youtube-channel. It should be possible to activate some kind og automatic AI translate, we'll get back to that.\n* The Stream will only be available live. Not later. We need someone to save everything so we can be able to go back and make shorts, translate and document for the future.\n* There will be a bunch of EXJW in Oslo trying to attend in person, but no exjw participation in the court in itself. Our work is done.\n* Watch out for announcements regarding stream/website through exjw channels.\n\n**What will be decided in the Supreme Court?**\n\n* How the law should be interpreted\n* The limits of state discretion\n* The balance between religious autonomy and protection of individual (especially children’s) rights\n* Whether the Court of Appeal applied the correct legal standards\n* How the Religious Communities Act §6 should be interpreted\n\n**What the Supreme court will not do:**\n\n* Retry witnesses or evidence\n* It will not decide if JW practice is good or bad in a moral sense in any way\n* they will not \"approve\" or \"disapprove\" shunning (as WT pretends after a win)\n* Ban or persecute JW in any way (this is not a criminal case)\n\n**How the Supreme Court works in Norway:**\n\n* Unlike the US, the supreme court is not politic in any way, it's a legal branch.\n* We have 11 supreme court judges in total, but normally they only use 5 of them in each case, like this one.\n* In the supreme court, the judges will ask the questions to the parties. This will be very interesting, my hope is that they will confront WT double talk and ask for spesific answers. THIS NEEDS TO BE SAVED FOR THE FUTURE. We might get a lot of gems here that needs to be translated and spread.\n* The verdict will not come until some months after, I expect 8+ weeks, but not sure. It will be around the corner, and not late. Just have faith.\n\n**Possible outcomes:**\n\n* Courts uphold the decision from the Court of Appeals, this will probably mean that the **State has to reinstate WT** and pay them the funding they hdidn't recieve those years.\n* Courts reverse the Court of Appeals and go back to the District Court's decision where the State won. **WT will then have lost their funding** for those years and will have to try other options to be reinstated for upcoming years by fulfilling the law\n* **Partial or clarifying judgment** in some way. This is the most expected result, that the Supreme Court clarifies the law, sets boundaries and defines what the State can do, and how the law is to be used. This is not a \"yes or no\" - situation, but we will have to study the decision and see how it can be used to either uphold the decision or make a new administrative decision with adjusted wording. If this happens we need to await how the administration handles the SC concvlusion.\n\n**No matter what the SC lands on, what has been achieved in Norway during these last 7 years of activcism?**\n\n* Massive exposure, both nationally and internationally, on the damages of shunning in JW doctrine\n* Lots of attention from WT/GB on what this practice causes\n* Adjusted doctrines on shunning, we can show in the communication to the State that this is directly connected to this case.\n* The most damning shunning material have been shown in court in front of the WT lawyers. Several of this material have during this process been removed from the WT website and will no longer be used in any way.\n* A whole bunch of exjw voices being heard.\n* Influence into other countries, we can track stuff happening in other countries back to Norway.\n\n**Where do we go from here?**\n\n* Most of us, myself and most of my exjw friends that have been in court these years (and taken upon ourself a heavy burden) now needs to move on. Think of us as Frodo in the end, when he steps on the ship and leaves the Shire. We will leave this to the next generation exjw. I have spoken to several others that has been part of this, they all seem to have burned their fuel and want to focus on the afterlife.\n* We really appreciate the support you gave us, espescially during trials and testimonials.\n* No matter what happens in court we will be proud of what we achieved.\n* WT will, even with a partial win, pretend that this is a huge victory for them. Don't let them fool you. It's a lot of stuff in the details, the details they never tell their followers.\n\nFeel free to ask your questions or comment. 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There&#39;s always a lot of confusion, questions and (sadly) misinformation circulating when we go back into court in this case.</p>\n\n<p>I&#39;ll do a short summary of everything here, but deeper  information can be picked up if you go through my profile history.</p>\n\n<p><strong>Some of them here:</strong></p>\n\n<p><strong>2019</strong>, back when this started, I blew my fade on this article:<br/>\n<a href=\"https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/dose5t/exjw_norway_strikes_back_today_massive_exposure/\">https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/dose5t/exjw_norway_strikes_back_today_massive_exposure/</a></p>\n\n<p><strong>2021</strong>, when we got the first administrative decision:<br/>\n<a href=\"https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/y33ga3/my_written_piece_published_after_the_decision_in/\">https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/y33ga3/my_written_piece_published_after_the_decision_in/</a></p>\n\n<p><strong>2022</strong>, the administrative process continues and concludes:<br/>\n<a href=\"https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/ykw9sw/jw_norway_have_been_given_4_weeks_to_end_shunning/\">https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/ykw9sw/jw_norway_have_been_given_4_weeks_to_end_shunning/</a></p>\n\n<p><a href=\"https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/zsqwl5/its_gone_jw_norways_legal_registration/\">https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/zsqwl5/its_gone_jw_norways_legal_registration/</a></p>\n\n<p><a href=\"https://preview.redd.it/ibspxnag6pdg1.png?width=1484&amp;format=png&amp;auto=webp&amp;s=9cc17c0bcc5546ac2517f14b63dc9e4ad46198e6\">First court appeareance, 2023 injunction lawsuit</a></p>\n\n<p><strong>2023</strong>, the legal process starts with the first court case, the injunction lawsuit :  </p>\n\n<p><a href=\"https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/107d31q/summarystatus_regarding_norway/\">https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/107d31q/summarystatus_regarding_norway/</a></p>\n\n<p><a href=\"https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/126tik1/regarding_norway_and_todays_trial/\">https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/126tik1/regarding_norway_and_todays_trial/</a></p>\n\n<p><a href=\"https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/130cwcm/we_won_first_round_verdict_is_out_norway_vs_wt_10/\">https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/130cwcm/we_won_first_round_verdict_is_out_norway_vs_wt_10/</a></p>\n\n<p><a href=\"https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/136gtqe/the_magazine_story_in_norways_third_larges/\">https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/136gtqe/the_magazine_story_in_norways_third_larges/</a></p>\n\n<p><a href=\"https://preview.redd.it/2sfhcpoo6pdg1.png?width=1798&amp;format=png&amp;auto=webp&amp;s=8aaefd3adc3ba2c853537976cde4578625eed787\">Beers the night before testifying in District Court, 2024. Therese, myself and Noomi. Looking cool on the outside. </a></p>\n\n<p><strong>2024</strong>, second appearance in court, the main lawsuit, first level:<br/>\n<a href=\"https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/18y9zw2/norway_vs_jw_main_trial_starts_monday_written/\">https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/18y9zw2/norway_vs_jw_main_trial_starts_monday_written/</a><br/>\n<a href=\"https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/191ll5n/my_written_opinion_published_as_the_trial_jw_vs/\">https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/191ll5n/my_written_opinion_published_as_the_trial_jw_vs/</a></p>\n\n<p><a href=\"https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/1953xno/spoke_the_truth_today_with_my_friends/\">https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/1953xno/spoke_the_truth_today_with_my_friends/</a><br/>\n<a href=\"https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/1b6edii/full_victory_jw_vs_norway/\">https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/1b6edii/full_victory_jw_vs_norway/</a></p>\n\n<p><a href=\"https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/1b9kdr4/jw_vs_norway_official_verdict_official_website/\">https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/1b9kdr4/jw_vs_norway_official_verdict_official_website/</a></p>\n\n<p><a href=\"https://preview.redd.it/3rfqo7e67pdg1.png?width=960&amp;format=png&amp;auto=webp&amp;s=ce199c2a5af139cd4dd1f87240a98ffe8a65ad5a\">EXJW travellers from all over the world came to support us in the Appeals Court, 2025</a></p>\n\n<p><strong>2025</strong>, appeals court. Third time in three years I had to testify in court:  </p>\n\n<p><a href=\"https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/1gh3ilq/wt_vs_norway_wt_sends_letter_to_the_goverment/\">https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/1gh3ilq/wt_vs_norway_wt_sends_letter_to_the_goverment/</a></p>\n\n<p><a href=\"https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/1gwqon6/norway_have_responded_to_wts_letter_asking_for/\">https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/1gwqon6/norway_have_responded_to_wts_letter_asking_for/</a></p>\n\n<p><a href=\"https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/1ict8zd/jw_vs_norway_court_is_set_monday_february_3rd_ask/\">https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/1ict8zd/jw_vs_norway_court_is_set_monday_february_3rd_ask/</a></p>\n\n<p><a href=\"https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/1jb6uq8/verdict_in_norwegian_and_my_first_analysis/\">https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/1jb6uq8/verdict_in_norwegian_and_my_first_analysis/</a></p>\n\n<p><a href=\"https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/1jbx3ur/written_opinion_published_regarding_norway_vs_jw/\">https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/1jbx3ur/written_opinion_published_regarding_norway_vs_jw/</a></p>\n\n<p><a href=\"https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/1n8ahqs/jw_vs_norway_supreme_court_scheduled_04th06th/\">https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/1n8ahqs/jw_vs_norway_supreme_court_scheduled_04th06th/</a></p>\n\n<p>Avoidjw.org has a lot of articles about Norway</p>\n\n<p><a href=\"https://avoidjw.org/court/norway-supreme-court-shunning-childrens-rights-appeal/\">https://avoidjw.org/court/norway-supreme-court-shunning-childrens-rights-appeal/</a></p>\n\n<p><strong>Now this will be decided in the Supreme Court.</strong></p>\n\n<p><strong>Some questions/answers</strong>:</p>\n\n<p><strong>SC session, 5th, 6th and 9th of February in Oslo. 09:00-14;30 CET.</strong></p>\n\n<ul>\n<li>As stated in the pinned post, the court sessions will be streamed online. This will be in Norwegian, but through the court&#39;s youtube-channel. It should be possible to activate some kind og automatic AI translate, we&#39;ll get back to that.</li>\n<li>The Stream will only be available live. Not later. We need someone to save everything so we can be able to go back and make shorts, translate and document for the future.</li>\n<li>There will be a bunch of EXJW in Oslo trying to attend in person, but no exjw participation in the court in itself. Our work is done.</li>\n<li>Watch out for announcements regarding stream/website through exjw channels.</li>\n</ul>\n\n<p><strong>What will be decided in the Supreme Court?</strong></p>\n\n<ul>\n<li>How the law should be interpreted</li>\n<li>The limits of state discretion</li>\n<li>The balance between religious autonomy and protection of individual (especially children’s) rights</li>\n<li>Whether the Court of Appeal applied the correct legal standards</li>\n<li>How the Religious Communities Act §6 should be interpreted</li>\n</ul>\n\n<p><strong>What the Supreme court will not do:</strong></p>\n\n<ul>\n<li>Retry witnesses or evidence</li>\n<li>It will not decide if JW practice is good or bad in a moral sense in any way</li>\n<li>they will not &quot;approve&quot; or &quot;disapprove&quot; shunning (as WT pretends after a win)</li>\n<li>Ban or persecute JW in any way (this is not a criminal case)</li>\n</ul>\n\n<p><strong>How the Supreme Court works in Norway:</strong></p>\n\n<ul>\n<li>Unlike the US, the supreme court is not politic in any way, it&#39;s a legal branch.</li>\n<li>We have 11 supreme court judges in total, but normally they only use 5 of them in each case, like this one.</li>\n<li>In the supreme court, the judges will ask the questions to the parties. This will be very interesting, my hope is that they will confront WT double talk and ask for spesific answers. THIS NEEDS TO BE SAVED FOR THE FUTURE. We might get a lot of gems here that needs to be translated and spread.</li>\n<li>The verdict will not come until some months after, I expect 8+ weeks, but not sure. It will be around the corner, and not late. Just have faith.</li>\n</ul>\n\n<p><strong>Possible outcomes:</strong></p>\n\n<ul>\n<li>Courts uphold the decision from the Court of Appeals, this will probably mean that the <strong>State has to reinstate WT</strong> and pay them the funding they hdidn&#39;t recieve those years.</li>\n<li>Courts reverse the Court of Appeals and go back to the District Court&#39;s decision where the State won. <strong>WT will then have lost their funding</strong> for those years and will have to try other options to be reinstated for upcoming years by fulfilling the law</li>\n<li><strong>Partial or clarifying judgment</strong> in some way. This is the most expected result, that the Supreme Court clarifies the law, sets boundaries and defines what the State can do, and how the law is to be used. This is not a &quot;yes or no&quot; - situation, but we will have to study the decision and see how it can be used to either uphold the decision or make a new administrative decision with adjusted wording. If this happens we need to await how the administration handles the SC concvlusion.</li>\n</ul>\n\n<p><strong>No matter what the SC lands on, what has been achieved in Norway during these last 7 years of activcism?</strong></p>\n\n<ul>\n<li>Massive exposure, both nationally and internationally, on the damages of shunning in JW doctrine</li>\n<li>Lots of attention from WT/GB on what this practice causes</li>\n<li>Adjusted doctrines on shunning, we can show in the communication to the State that this is directly connected to this case.</li>\n<li>The most damning shunning material have been shown in court in front of the WT lawyers. Several of this material have during this process been removed from the WT website and will no longer be used in any way.</li>\n<li>A whole bunch of exjw voices being heard.</li>\n<li>Influence into other countries, we can track stuff happening in other countries back to Norway.</li>\n</ul>\n\n<p><strong>Where do we go from here?</strong></p>\n\n<ul>\n<li>Most of us, myself and most of my exjw friends that have been in court these years (and taken upon ourself a heavy burden) now needs to move on. Think of us as Frodo in the end, when he steps on the ship and leaves the Shire. We will leave this to the next generation exjw. I have spoken to several others that has been part of this, they all seem to have burned their fuel and want to focus on the afterlife.</li>\n<li>We really appreciate the support you gave us, espescially during trials and testimonials.</li>\n<li>No matter what happens in court we will be proud of what we achieved.</li>\n<li>WT will, even with a partial win, pretend that this is a huge victory for them. Don&#39;t let them fool you. It&#39;s a lot of stuff in the details, the details they never tell their followers.</li>\n</ul>\n\n<p>Feel free to ask your questions or comment. 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{"approved_at_utc":null,"subreddit":"exjw","selftext":"The State of Norway have decided to appeal the verdict from the appeals court in the case JWvsNorway to the Supreme Court. This means that JW will not have their registration or funding back until Supreme Court has decided on this matter.\n\nHere's an upcoming timeline for what will happen:\n\n# 1. Notice of Appeal\n\nThe party wishing to appeal (e.g., the state) must submit a **notice of appeal** to the Supreme Court. This must generally be done **within one month** after the Court of Appeal's judgment has been served.\n\n**This will be done today!**\n\n# 2. Review by the Supreme Court’s Appeals Selection Committee\n\nMost cases must go through a **screening process** by the Supreme Court’s **Appeals Selection Committee**. This committee decides whether the case raises **questions of principle** or has other public significance. Not all cases are admitted for full review by the Supreme Court.\n\n* This process typically takes **2 to 4 months**, but it can vary.\n* I expect this to just be a formality. **This case will be admitted.**\n\n# 3. If the Case Is Admitted – Main Hearing\n\nIf the Appeals Selection Committee allows the case to proceed, a **main hearing** (court session) is scheduled. This usually takes place several months after the case is admitted, depending on the complexity of the case and the Supreme Court’s schedule.\n\n* **Typical time from admission to hearing**: 4–8 months (though it may be quicker or slower).\n\n# 4. Judgment by the Supreme Court\n\nAfter the main hearing, the Supreme Court typically takes a few weeks to write and deliver its judgment.\n\n# Example Timeline:\n\n* **April**: The state appeals the Court of Appeal’s judgment.\n* **June-July**: The Supreme Court’s Appeals Selection Committee decides whether to hear the case.\n* **November–February**: Main hearing in the Supreme Court.\n* **March-April**: Judgment is delivered\n\nAll those dates are just a guess based on reference cases, but as you can understand, this will go on probably another year until we have a result.\n\nFor reference, check this post I wrote two years ago:\n\n[https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/107d31q/summarystatus\\_regarding\\_norway/?utm\\_source=share&utm\\_medium=web3x&utm\\_name=web3xcss&utm\\_term=1&utm\\_content=share\\_button](https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/107d31q/summarystatus_regarding_norway/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)\n\nArticles about this:\n\n[https://www.tv2.no/direkte/jpybz/siste-nytt/680a395940f8204f650a7653/staten-anker-jehovas-vitnersaken-til-hoyesterett](https://www.tv2.no/direkte/jpybz/siste-nytt/680a395940f8204f650a7653/staten-anker-jehovas-vitnersaken-til-hoyesterett)\n\n[https://www.nettavisen.no/nyheter/staten-anker-jehovas-vitner-saken-til-hoyesterett/s/5-95-2399617](https://www.nettavisen.no/nyheter/staten-anker-jehovas-vitner-saken-til-hoyesterett/s/5-95-2399617)","author_fullname":"t2_13lcbzt","saved":false,"mod_reason_title":null,"gilded":0,"clicked":false,"title":"JWvsNorway - the State of Norway appeals to the Supreme Court","link_flair_richtext":[{"e":"text","t":"News"}],"subreddit_name_prefixed":"r/exjw","hidden":false,"pwls":7,"link_flair_css_class":"news","downs":0,"thumbnail_height":null,"top_awarded_type":null,"hide_score":false,"name":"t3_1k6s0zr","quarantine":false,"link_flair_text_color":"dark","upvote_ratio":1.0,"author_flair_background_color":null,"subreddit_type":"public","ups":381,"total_awards_received":0,"media_embed":{},"thumbnail_width":null,"author_flair_template_id":"9d802a98-b766-11e6-a40a-0e1cfceb9f30","is_original_content":false,"user_reports":[],"secure_media":null,"is_reddit_media_domain":false,"is_meta":false,"category":null,"secure_media_embed":{},"link_flair_text":"News","can_mod_post":false,"score":381,"approved_by":null,"is_created_from_ads_ui":false,"author_premium":false,"thumbnail":"self","edited":1745504008.0,"author_flair_css_class":null,"author_flair_richtext":[{"e":"text","t":"<-----King of the North!"}],"gildings":{},"post_hint":"self","content_categories":null,"is_self":true,"mod_note":null,"created":1745500799.0,"link_flair_type":"richtext","wls":7,"removed_by_category":null,"banned_by":null,"author_flair_type":"richtext","domain":"self.exjw","allow_live_comments":false,"selftext_html":"<!-- SC_OFF --><div class=\"md\"><p>The State of Norway have decided to appeal the verdict from the appeals court in the case JWvsNorway to the Supreme Court. This means that JW will not have their registration or funding back until Supreme Court has decided on this matter.</p>\n\n<p>Here&#39;s an upcoming timeline for what will happen:</p>\n\n<h1>1. Notice of Appeal</h1>\n\n<p>The party wishing to appeal (e.g., the state) must submit a <strong>notice of appeal</strong> to the Supreme Court. This must generally be done <strong>within one month</strong> after the Court of Appeal&#39;s judgment has been served.</p>\n\n<p><strong>This will be done today!</strong></p>\n\n<h1>2. Review by the Supreme Court’s Appeals Selection Committee</h1>\n\n<p>Most cases must go through a <strong>screening process</strong> by the Supreme Court’s <strong>Appeals Selection Committee</strong>. This committee decides whether the case raises <strong>questions of principle</strong> or has other public significance. Not all cases are admitted for full review by the Supreme Court.</p>\n\n<ul>\n<li>This process typically takes <strong>2 to 4 months</strong>, but it can vary.</li>\n<li>I expect this to just be a formality. <strong>This case will be admitted.</strong></li>\n</ul>\n\n<h1>3. If the Case Is Admitted – Main Hearing</h1>\n\n<p>If the Appeals Selection Committee allows the case to proceed, a <strong>main hearing</strong> (court session) is scheduled. This usually takes place several months after the case is admitted, depending on the complexity of the case and the Supreme Court’s schedule.</p>\n\n<ul>\n<li><strong>Typical time from admission to hearing</strong>: 4–8 months (though it may be quicker or slower).</li>\n</ul>\n\n<h1>4. Judgment by the Supreme Court</h1>\n\n<p>After the main hearing, the Supreme Court typically takes a few weeks to write and deliver its judgment.</p>\n\n<h1>Example Timeline:</h1>\n\n<ul>\n<li><strong>April</strong>: The state appeals the Court of Appeal’s judgment.</li>\n<li><strong>June-July</strong>: The Supreme Court’s Appeals Selection Committee decides whether to hear the case.</li>\n<li><strong>November–February</strong>: Main hearing in the Supreme Court.</li>\n<li><strong>March-April</strong>: Judgment is delivered</li>\n</ul>\n\n<p>All those dates are just a guess based on reference cases, but as you can understand, this will go on probably another year until we have a result.</p>\n\n<p>For reference, check this post I wrote two years ago:</p>\n\n<p><a href=\"https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/107d31q/summarystatus_regarding_norway/?utm_source=share&amp;utm_medium=web3x&amp;utm_name=web3xcss&amp;utm_term=1&amp;utm_content=share_button\">https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/107d31q/summarystatus_regarding_norway/?utm_source=share&amp;utm_medium=web3x&amp;utm_name=web3xcss&amp;utm_term=1&amp;utm_content=share_button</a></p>\n\n<p>Articles about this:</p>\n\n<p><a href=\"https://www.tv2.no/direkte/jpybz/siste-nytt/680a395940f8204f650a7653/staten-anker-jehovas-vitnersaken-til-hoyesterett\">https://www.tv2.no/direkte/jpybz/siste-nytt/680a395940f8204f650a7653/staten-anker-jehovas-vitnersaken-til-hoyesterett</a></p>\n\n<p><a href=\"https://www.nettavisen.no/nyheter/staten-anker-jehovas-vitner-saken-til-hoyesterett/s/5-95-2399617\">https://www.nettavisen.no/nyheter/staten-anker-jehovas-vitner-saken-til-hoyesterett/s/5-95-2399617</a></p>\n</div><!-- SC_ON -->","likes":null,"suggested_sort":null,"banned_at_utc":null,"view_count":null,"archived":false,"no_follow":false,"is_crosspostable":false,"pinned":false,"over_18":false,"preview":{"images":[{"source":{"url":"https://external-preview.redd.it/xM-WAcB0OrsbEwxSikbufZCgQCRbVsrhoHJBzrAmBaw.jpg?auto=webp&s=3cdd9a88cb222f52834b886ce1c23b7ff9189950","width":1200,"height":630},"resolutions":[{"url":"https://external-preview.redd.it/xM-WAcB0OrsbEwxSikbufZCgQCRbVsrhoHJBzrAmBaw.jpg?width=108&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=335854ba327eae8ae147905c2c78e19d54478847","width":108,"height":56},{"url":"https://external-preview.redd.it/xM-WAcB0OrsbEwxSikbufZCgQCRbVsrhoHJBzrAmBaw.jpg?width=216&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=d1ace4bc6560c9db03eff6a3418b994e17da204f","width":216,"height":113},{"url":"https://external-preview.redd.it/xM-WAcB0OrsbEwxSikbufZCgQCRbVsrhoHJBzrAmBaw.jpg?width=320&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=9af85e24728cc03ed6b4e76adc2c0ea0ccbe1703","width":320,"height":168},{"url":"https://external-preview.redd.it/xM-WAcB0OrsbEwxSikbufZCgQCRbVsrhoHJBzrAmBaw.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=a0dcf17372140b9e6147638647f139a2a446e532","width":640,"height":336},{"url":"https://external-preview.redd.it/xM-WAcB0OrsbEwxSikbufZCgQCRbVsrhoHJBzrAmBaw.jpg?width=960&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=1bb8107ae4b0a53b98e04f53339a0f2f4418dc62","width":960,"height":504},{"url":"https://external-preview.redd.it/xM-WAcB0OrsbEwxSikbufZCgQCRbVsrhoHJBzrAmBaw.jpg?width=1080&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=c7af2cd7378cb88d912b7c116a25d055f8b3748e","width":1080,"height":567}],"variants":{},"id":"YonzrkYTgwx5xpmwe4a4TAFj4wP6ICumznFlE9fLw0Q"}],"enabled":false},"all_awardings":[],"awarders":[],"media_only":false,"link_flair_template_id":"ab1fff82-6405-11e8-86f3-0e5f20cd29ce","can_gild":false,"spoiler":false,"locked":false,"author_flair_text":"<-----King of the North!","treatment_tags":[],"visited":false,"removed_by":null,"num_reports":null,"distinguished":null,"subreddit_id":"t5_2qp5l","author_is_blocked":false,"mod_reason_by":null,"removal_reason":null,"link_flair_background_color":"#bbbdbf","id":"1k6s0zr","is_robot_indexable":true,"report_reasons":null,"author":"FrodeKommode","discussion_type":null,"num_comments":107,"send_replies":true,"contest_mode":false,"mod_reports":[],"author_patreon_flair":false,"author_flair_text_color":"dark","permalink":"/r/exjw/comments/1k6s0zr/jwvsnorway_the_state_of_norway_appeals_to_the/","stickied":false,"url":"https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/1k6s0zr/jwvsnorway_the_state_of_norway_appeals_to_the/","subreddit_subscribers":119984,"created_utc":1745500799.0,"num_crossposts":1,"media":null,"is_video":false}
{"approved_at_utc":null,"subreddit":"exjw","selftext":"https://www.vl.no/meninger/verdidebatt/2025/03/15/nar-skuffelsen-har-lagt-seg-er-det-likevel-mye-positivt-a-hente/\n\nPaywall, but I appreciate if you click the link before reading further. \n\nThis is written by myself and Rakel Fjelltvedt, who also testified with me on the same day in court. \n\n\"Psychological violence\", \"negative social control\", \"the right to opt out\"\nDo these words mean anything to us?\n\nSo we have now received the Court of Appeal's conclusion in the years-long dispute between Jehovah's Witnesses and the Norwegian state, a process that in practice has been going on continuously since 2019.\n\nExtensive investigations and legal proceedings gave us full understanding and a decision from the State Administrator, confirmation in the appeal case with the Ministry of Children and Family Affairs, victories in the injunction case in both the District Court and the Court of Appeal, and finally a full victory in the District Court. Many people have supported our case.\nNow we faced three judges in the Court of Appeal who came to the opposite conclusion, under doubt.\n\nWhen the initial disappointment has faded , there are still many positive things to take away from reading the judgment. \n\nWe're not lawyers and leave the in-depth legal analysis to those who know about such things. When we comment, we do so with our own expertise in the form of lived lives - an insight that lawyers and spectators will never be able to fully grasp. We write with the hope that this, too, has value.\n\nAbout Jw's practice and what the court assumes.\n\nJW went into the trial with claims that the state had been misled by a few disgruntled former members and thus gained a completely wrong impression of the exclusion scheme. The court dismissed this completely. \"Like the district court and the administration, the judgment is very clear that our stories correspond to Jws own instructions and the practice as we describe it. The practice is considered proven and that the state's view of this is correct.\" (point 3.3, from page 14)\n\nThe Court finds it proven that the practice applies to adult members who are thrown out, that it applies to those who opt out themselves and that it will apply to children. The court also states on page 18 that \"unnecessary socializing\" with those excluded from the Elder Book is considered \"shameless behavior\" and entails reprisals.\n\nSo we have been fully vindicated here. JV claimed the opposite in court, but this was rejected. I wonder what the leaders of Jehovah's Witnesses think about this?\n\nFor us, it is reassuring that all parts of both the administration and the legal system have now established this as a fact. We also hope that the media will now use this as a basis in future cases. These are not just loose allegations from dissatisfied members, as JW claims, but adopted and proven as facts.\n\nAbout the right to free withdrawal\n\nCentral to this point is what \"free withdrawal\" means. Here, the Court of Appeal arrives at the opposite conclusion of all the preceding paragraphs because the opportunity to withdraw in writing is given the greatest weight, so that the psychological burden of the subsequent sanctions is given less weight. An example of the fact that law and psychology are two completely different disciplines.\n\nThe court writes on page 22, recognizing that those who opt out experience extensive sanctions: \"reduced contact with...in particular close family members...will for most people be very difficult and burdensome.... The court assumes that such consequences of withdrawal are so negative that some members for that reason choose not to withdraw.\"\n\nThe court has thus recognized that Jws practice of social ostracism, including in close family, is so burdensome that for many people it will result in them not daring to opt out. At the same time, these people then generate financial support for the same organization that carries out these sanctions.\n\nIt may be legally right, but in what other contexts than religion would we accept something like this? And what do the Jehovah's Witnesses themselves think about the fact that the court has found it proven that several of their members are members against their will, held hostage because they want contact with close family?\n\nIs this what taxpayers want? That payments should be made in this way? What do the people who wrote the Religious Communities Act and included section 6 think?\n\nAbout children's rights to protection against psychological violence and negative social control\n\nThis is the passage in the judgment that is most shocking to us. If the Court of Appeal's judgment stands as a consensus, at worst the extensive work that has been done in recent years regarding children's protection against psychological violence in Norway could be seriously set back.\n\nAs we interpret it, the verdict lands primarily in Jehovah's Witnesses' favor because the terms \"psychological violence\" and \"negative social control\" are too poorly defined in the legislation. Better definitions of the terms are part of the important work that needs to be done in the future in order for these terms to have legal value.\n\nRegarding the process of judicial selection and social exclusion of children, the court writes on page 27: \"Although the process can be very unpleasant and humiliating, the court nevertheless believes - under doubt - that the process as such cannot be regarded as psychological violence\"\n\nThe argument from the court is that in order to meet the definition of psychological violence, this process must constitute a \"pattern of abusive acts\" that \"persists over time\".\n\nJV's practices are documented as persistent acts over time. And the consequences of the ostracism persist for many for the rest of their lives. They often never get their family back. Nevertheless, the court believes that since the actual process of ostracism at the individual level is quick, it is not psychological violence in the sense of the law. We would very much like the Supreme Court to rule on such a claim.\n\nSo it is this loophole that Jehovah's Witnesses celebrate as a great victory. That under doubt, with the help of a very special definition, they barely escape being labeled as an organization that perpetrates psychological violence against its children.\n\nThe court writes on pages 28 and 29 that \"both the exclusion process and the social distancing of an exclusion will be very stressful for most children, it is, under doubt, not likely that the practice constitutes psychological violence against children.\"\n\nThis is an assertion that we expect bufdir and others who work with children's mental health to follow up in the future. If this remains the consensus, it could apply not only to children of Jehovah's Witnesses, but also to other minorities. Systematic, organized use of force to remove a child's family and social circle if he or she does not follow his or her parents' religious rules could be defined as approved by the Court of Appeal, and not something the state and the administration can do anything about.\n\nFurther thoughts\n\nA lot of our motivation for doing this has been about public education and insight into the practice. We have achieved this, regardless of the Court of Appeal's ruling. But there is still a lot of work to be done.\n\nThe verdict is characterized by the fact that the court calls for documentation, they call for data. Professional expertise in the area. Data on the consequences of mental illness among those who fall outside these systems. \"Those of us who have experienced this and been in the thick of it know first-hand that these harmful effects are there. We have people around us who are in the middle of the process and are shattered. We've lost friends who couldn't take it anymore. We know what this means. But we have no way of scientifically collecting this data so that it can be used legally. Society must help us with this.\n\nIs there the will to do this, or is everyone comfortable with the court's conclusion that as long as the harmful effects are not sufficiently documented, it is unlikely that they exist?\n\nWhen it comes to the conclusion itself, we trust that the State will make the right decision and see the importance of this being decided in the Supreme Court, and that the opportunity is taken to legally define what \"the right to free withdrawal\", \"psychological violence\" and \"negative social control\" actually mean.\n\nIf there are no definitions that the law can accept, it will also be hopeless for the administration to comply with the Religious Communities Act's requirement to take these conditions into account. It needs to be done. ","author_fullname":"t2_13lcbzt","saved":false,"mod_reason_title":null,"gilded":0,"clicked":false,"title":"Written opinion published regarding Norway vs JW","link_flair_richtext":[{"e":"text","t":"News"}],"subreddit_name_prefixed":"r/exjw","hidden":false,"pwls":7,"link_flair_css_class":"news","downs":0,"thumbnail_height":null,"top_awarded_type":null,"hide_score":false,"name":"t3_1jbx3ur","quarantine":false,"link_flair_text_color":"dark","upvote_ratio":0.98,"author_flair_background_color":null,"subreddit_type":"public","ups":77,"total_awards_received":0,"media_embed":{},"thumbnail_width":null,"author_flair_template_id":"9d802a98-b766-11e6-a40a-0e1cfceb9f30","is_original_content":false,"user_reports":[],"secure_media":null,"is_reddit_media_domain":false,"is_meta":false,"category":null,"secure_media_embed":{},"link_flair_text":"News","can_mod_post":false,"score":77,"approved_by":null,"is_created_from_ads_ui":false,"author_premium":false,"thumbnail":"self","edited":1742051356.0,"author_flair_css_class":null,"author_flair_richtext":[{"e":"text","t":"<-----King of the North!"}],"gildings":{},"post_hint":"self","content_categories":null,"is_self":true,"mod_note":null,"created":1742051159.0,"link_flair_type":"richtext","wls":7,"removed_by_category":null,"banned_by":null,"author_flair_type":"richtext","domain":"self.exjw","allow_live_comments":false,"selftext_html":"<!-- SC_OFF --><div class=\"md\"><p><a href=\"https://www.vl.no/meninger/verdidebatt/2025/03/15/nar-skuffelsen-har-lagt-seg-er-det-likevel-mye-positivt-a-hente/\">https://www.vl.no/meninger/verdidebatt/2025/03/15/nar-skuffelsen-har-lagt-seg-er-det-likevel-mye-positivt-a-hente/</a></p>\n\n<p>Paywall, but I appreciate if you click the link before reading further. </p>\n\n<p>This is written by myself and Rakel Fjelltvedt, who also testified with me on the same day in court. </p>\n\n<p>&quot;Psychological violence&quot;, &quot;negative social control&quot;, &quot;the right to opt out&quot;\nDo these words mean anything to us?</p>\n\n<p>So we have now received the Court of Appeal&#39;s conclusion in the years-long dispute between Jehovah&#39;s Witnesses and the Norwegian state, a process that in practice has been going on continuously since 2019.</p>\n\n<p>Extensive investigations and legal proceedings gave us full understanding and a decision from the State Administrator, confirmation in the appeal case with the Ministry of Children and Family Affairs, victories in the injunction case in both the District Court and the Court of Appeal, and finally a full victory in the District Court. Many people have supported our case.\nNow we faced three judges in the Court of Appeal who came to the opposite conclusion, under doubt.</p>\n\n<p>When the initial disappointment has faded , there are still many positive things to take away from reading the judgment. </p>\n\n<p>We&#39;re not lawyers and leave the in-depth legal analysis to those who know about such things. When we comment, we do so with our own expertise in the form of lived lives - an insight that lawyers and spectators will never be able to fully grasp. We write with the hope that this, too, has value.</p>\n\n<p>About Jw&#39;s practice and what the court assumes.</p>\n\n<p>JW went into the trial with claims that the state had been misled by a few disgruntled former members and thus gained a completely wrong impression of the exclusion scheme. The court dismissed this completely. &quot;Like the district court and the administration, the judgment is very clear that our stories correspond to Jws own instructions and the practice as we describe it. The practice is considered proven and that the state&#39;s view of this is correct.&quot; (point 3.3, from page 14)</p>\n\n<p>The Court finds it proven that the practice applies to adult members who are thrown out, that it applies to those who opt out themselves and that it will apply to children. The court also states on page 18 that &quot;unnecessary socializing&quot; with those excluded from the Elder Book is considered &quot;shameless behavior&quot; and entails reprisals.</p>\n\n<p>So we have been fully vindicated here. JV claimed the opposite in court, but this was rejected. I wonder what the leaders of Jehovah&#39;s Witnesses think about this?</p>\n\n<p>For us, it is reassuring that all parts of both the administration and the legal system have now established this as a fact. We also hope that the media will now use this as a basis in future cases. These are not just loose allegations from dissatisfied members, as JW claims, but adopted and proven as facts.</p>\n\n<p>About the right to free withdrawal</p>\n\n<p>Central to this point is what &quot;free withdrawal&quot; means. Here, the Court of Appeal arrives at the opposite conclusion of all the preceding paragraphs because the opportunity to withdraw in writing is given the greatest weight, so that the psychological burden of the subsequent sanctions is given less weight. An example of the fact that law and psychology are two completely different disciplines.</p>\n\n<p>The court writes on page 22, recognizing that those who opt out experience extensive sanctions: &quot;reduced contact with...in particular close family members...will for most people be very difficult and burdensome.... The court assumes that such consequences of withdrawal are so negative that some members for that reason choose not to withdraw.&quot;</p>\n\n<p>The court has thus recognized that Jws practice of social ostracism, including in close family, is so burdensome that for many people it will result in them not daring to opt out. At the same time, these people then generate financial support for the same organization that carries out these sanctions.</p>\n\n<p>It may be legally right, but in what other contexts than religion would we accept something like this? And what do the Jehovah&#39;s Witnesses themselves think about the fact that the court has found it proven that several of their members are members against their will, held hostage because they want contact with close family?</p>\n\n<p>Is this what taxpayers want? That payments should be made in this way? What do the people who wrote the Religious Communities Act and included section 6 think?</p>\n\n<p>About children&#39;s rights to protection against psychological violence and negative social control</p>\n\n<p>This is the passage in the judgment that is most shocking to us. If the Court of Appeal&#39;s judgment stands as a consensus, at worst the extensive work that has been done in recent years regarding children&#39;s protection against psychological violence in Norway could be seriously set back.</p>\n\n<p>As we interpret it, the verdict lands primarily in Jehovah&#39;s Witnesses&#39; favor because the terms &quot;psychological violence&quot; and &quot;negative social control&quot; are too poorly defined in the legislation. Better definitions of the terms are part of the important work that needs to be done in the future in order for these terms to have legal value.</p>\n\n<p>Regarding the process of judicial selection and social exclusion of children, the court writes on page 27: &quot;Although the process can be very unpleasant and humiliating, the court nevertheless believes - under doubt - that the process as such cannot be regarded as psychological violence&quot;</p>\n\n<p>The argument from the court is that in order to meet the definition of psychological violence, this process must constitute a &quot;pattern of abusive acts&quot; that &quot;persists over time&quot;.</p>\n\n<p>JV&#39;s practices are documented as persistent acts over time. And the consequences of the ostracism persist for many for the rest of their lives. They often never get their family back. Nevertheless, the court believes that since the actual process of ostracism at the individual level is quick, it is not psychological violence in the sense of the law. We would very much like the Supreme Court to rule on such a claim.</p>\n\n<p>So it is this loophole that Jehovah&#39;s Witnesses celebrate as a great victory. That under doubt, with the help of a very special definition, they barely escape being labeled as an organization that perpetrates psychological violence against its children.</p>\n\n<p>The court writes on pages 28 and 29 that &quot;both the exclusion process and the social distancing of an exclusion will be very stressful for most children, it is, under doubt, not likely that the practice constitutes psychological violence against children.&quot;</p>\n\n<p>This is an assertion that we expect bufdir and others who work with children&#39;s mental health to follow up in the future. If this remains the consensus, it could apply not only to children of Jehovah&#39;s Witnesses, but also to other minorities. Systematic, organized use of force to remove a child&#39;s family and social circle if he or she does not follow his or her parents&#39; religious rules could be defined as approved by the Court of Appeal, and not something the state and the administration can do anything about.</p>\n\n<p>Further thoughts</p>\n\n<p>A lot of our motivation for doing this has been about public education and insight into the practice. We have achieved this, regardless of the Court of Appeal&#39;s ruling. But there is still a lot of work to be done.</p>\n\n<p>The verdict is characterized by the fact that the court calls for documentation, they call for data. Professional expertise in the area. Data on the consequences of mental illness among those who fall outside these systems. &quot;Those of us who have experienced this and been in the thick of it know first-hand that these harmful effects are there. We have people around us who are in the middle of the process and are shattered. We&#39;ve lost friends who couldn&#39;t take it anymore. We know what this means. But we have no way of scientifically collecting this data so that it can be used legally. Society must help us with this.</p>\n\n<p>Is there the will to do this, or is everyone comfortable with the court&#39;s conclusion that as long as the harmful effects are not sufficiently documented, it is unlikely that they exist?</p>\n\n<p>When it comes to the conclusion itself, we trust that the State will make the right decision and see the importance of this being decided in the Supreme Court, and that the opportunity is taken to legally define what &quot;the right to free withdrawal&quot;, &quot;psychological violence&quot; and &quot;negative social control&quot; actually mean.</p>\n\n<p>If there are no definitions that the law can accept, it will also be hopeless for the administration to comply with the Religious Communities Act&#39;s requirement to take these conditions into account. 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{"approved_at_utc":null,"subreddit":"exjw","selftext":"There's questions all over the place. If you ask them here I'll answer. \n\nI'm not discussing stuff, do that amongst yourself. But I'll answer questions here during this weekend before I log off again and go back into the abyss. ","author_fullname":"t2_13lcbzt","saved":false,"mod_reason_title":null,"gilded":0,"clicked":false,"title":"Regarding Norway - ask your questions in this post. AMA","link_flair_richtext":[{"e":"text","t":"Ask ExJW"}],"subreddit_name_prefixed":"r/exjw","hidden":false,"pwls":7,"link_flair_css_class":"ask-exjw","downs":0,"thumbnail_height":null,"top_awarded_type":null,"hide_score":false,"name":"t3_1jb9491","quarantine":false,"link_flair_text_color":"dark","upvote_ratio":0.96,"author_flair_background_color":null,"subreddit_type":"public","ups":87,"total_awards_received":0,"media_embed":{},"thumbnail_width":null,"author_flair_template_id":"9d802a98-b766-11e6-a40a-0e1cfceb9f30","is_original_content":false,"user_reports":[],"secure_media":null,"is_reddit_media_domain":false,"is_meta":false,"category":null,"secure_media_embed":{},"link_flair_text":"Ask ExJW","can_mod_post":false,"score":87,"approved_by":null,"is_created_from_ads_ui":false,"author_premium":false,"thumbnail":"self","edited":false,"author_flair_css_class":null,"author_flair_richtext":[{"e":"text","t":"<-----King of the North!"}],"gildings":{},"content_categories":null,"is_self":true,"mod_note":null,"created":1741972537.0,"link_flair_type":"richtext","wls":7,"removed_by_category":null,"banned_by":null,"author_flair_type":"richtext","domain":"self.exjw","allow_live_comments":false,"selftext_html":"<!-- SC_OFF --><div class=\"md\"><p>There&#39;s questions all over the place. If you ask them here I&#39;ll answer. </p>\n\n<p>I&#39;m not discussing stuff, do that amongst yourself. But I&#39;ll answer questions here during this weekend before I log off again and go back into the abyss. </p>\n</div><!-- SC_ON -->","likes":null,"suggested_sort":null,"banned_at_utc":null,"view_count":null,"archived":false,"no_follow":false,"is_crosspostable":false,"pinned":false,"over_18":false,"all_awardings":[],"awarders":[],"media_only":false,"link_flair_template_id":"a804db12-0b10-11e9-92ab-0eeec4f94bcc","can_gild":false,"spoiler":false,"locked":false,"author_flair_text":"<-----King of the North!","treatment_tags":[],"visited":false,"removed_by":null,"num_reports":null,"distinguished":null,"subreddit_id":"t5_2qp5l","author_is_blocked":false,"mod_reason_by":null,"removal_reason":null,"link_flair_background_color":"","id":"1jb9491","is_robot_indexable":true,"report_reasons":null,"author":"FrodeKommode","discussion_type":null,"num_comments":83,"send_replies":true,"contest_mode":false,"mod_reports":[],"author_patreon_flair":false,"author_flair_text_color":"dark","permalink":"/r/exjw/comments/1jb9491/regarding_norway_ask_your_questions_in_this_post/","stickied":false,"url":"https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/1jb9491/regarding_norway_ask_your_questions_in_this_post/","subreddit_subscribers":119984,"created_utc":1741972537.0,"num_crossposts":0,"media":null,"is_video":false}
{"approved_at_utc":null,"subreddit":"exjw","selftext":"I have now accessed the judgment, and have some comments. So, those who read can make up their own minds.\n\nHere is a link to the judgment, read it yourself or translate it into your language with available tools:\n\nhttps://drive.google.com/file/d/1pFi9cgYUW24SOJqbnVWvL7IN52q_nlfb/view?usp=sharing\n\nPages 13-18:\n\nThe Court of Appeal assumes that the allegations/information the State has based on regarding JV's practice of exclusion is correct. The testimonies and the evidence confirm this. We have been believed in all our information about the facts of the case, despite JV's attempts to discredit it. Good.\n\nPage 20, regarding the right to free withdrawal, the court states:\n\n\"It is not doubtful, nor disputed – that a withdrawal could have very serious consequences for the person who withdraws in terms of the possibility of contact with those who are still Jehovah's Witnesses. This also applies to close family members. This could be experienced as very difficult by many, both those who have withdrawn but also remaining Jehovah's Witnesses. This is confirmed by the witnesses in the case who had withdrawn or been excluded, and also by the professional literature presented.\"\n\nDirect quote. Again, our information is taken as fact. Undisputed. But then comes the assessments:\n\n\"The question is whether the social consequences as a result of losing, or at least having greatly reduced contact with, members of Jehovah's Witnesses – including family members\n– if one withdraws, are in conflict with the right to free withdrawal.\"\n\nThis is where the court differs from all the others that have considered the case, by writing:\n\n\"As stated above, it is practically easy to withdraw from Jehovah's Witnesses. It is sufficient to send a letter to the congregation about the withdrawal. There is no evidence that a withdrawal is not respected or that the congregation is particularly trying to persuade the member to re-join. The possible obstacles to withdrawal are therefore related here to the consequences of withdrawal, which are reduced social contact with remaining members, including family members.\nSuch reduced contact with former members of Jehovah's Witnesses, and especially close family members such as parents and children with whom one no longer lives, but also, for example, grandparents and grandchildren, will be very difficult and burdensome for most people.\n\nThe Court of Appeal assumes, based on the evidence, that such consequences of withdrawal for some are so negative that some members choose not to withdraw for that reason.\n\nThe Court of Appeal nevertheless believes that these consequences do not constitute sufficient undue pressure to constitute a violation of the member's right to free withdrawal under Article 9 of the ECHR.\n\nThe Court has therefore accepted the facts that withdrawal entails extreme consequences implemented by those who receive state aid, assuming that this means that people end up being members against their will (!!), but still believes that this is not \"sufficient undue pressure\".\n\nThis is where the law in the Court of Appeal completely falls away from the psychological, emotional and human. If the systematic use of family ties as a weapon to prevent people from withdrawing, which the Court acknowledges that it is, is not sufficient undue pressure, then what is it? Where can this paragraph be used?\n\nSo when it comes to the processes against children, I repeat: CHILDREN, the Court of Appeal writes this on page 27:\n\n\"Although the process can be very unpleasant, and in part also humiliating, the Court of Appeal nevertheless believes - under doubt - that the process as such cannot be considered psychological violence. The process will normally last for a relatively short period of time until a possible exclusion.\nThe process cannot therefore be said to constitute a \"pattern of offensive acts or behaviour that is repeated or persists over time\", cf. that this is something that would normally be the case for something to be considered psychological violence, cf. the committee's understanding in NOU 2024:13 reproduced above. .\nThe fact that the process is short-lived means that, in the Court of Appeal's view, it does not have the character of psychological \"abuse\"\n\nSo, what can one say? First of all, the abuse is not long enough for the Court of Appeal, that in itself is...well? But the most egregious thing is that the court ignores the fact that this is not something that lasts beyond the moment the expulsion is carried out. The child must continue to live with the consequences! This is not short-lived. It is for the rest of his life.\n\nSo, on page 28, the court says this:\n\nIf the process ends with the minor baptized member being expelled, there is no doubt that it will normally be very difficult and difficult for everyone involved that the\nsocial contact with other baptized members of Jehovah's Witnesses is broken off or greatly reduced. For family members who are Jehovah's Witnesses and with whom one does not live, the contact will be reduced to contact in \"necessary\" family matters. This must be assumed to be\nespecially demanding for children who will then, for example, have significantly reduced contact with grandparents and aunts and uncles who are JJehovah's Witnesses, as well as with siblings who are Jehovah's Witnesses and who have moved away from home. Furthermore, the child will lose contact with other members of the congregation, for example friends in the congregation. For children of Jehovah's Witnesses, it must be assumed that much of the social circle will be other children and young people in the congregation, which makes it extra difficult to lose contact with them.\n\nThe Court of Appeal, however, still believes – here also with doubts – that the social distancing that a minor child may experience through exclusion cannot be considered psychological violence.\"\n\nSo look at what they write. JV's practice is UNDER DOUBT, not within the definition of psychological violence against children.\n\nThis is what they are celebrating. That the Court of Appeal ended up using its DOUBT WHETHER IT CAN BE CONSIDERED AS MENTAL VIOLENCE AGAINST CHILDREN, as a reason to grant JV's case.\n\nThey repeat this on page 29:\n\n\"According to this, the Court of Appeal believes that even though both the exclusion process and the social distancing in the event of exclusion will be very stressful for most children,\n\nas mentioned – with doubts – it has not been proven probable that the practice constitutes psychological violence against children.\"\n\nReally something to celebrate? JV says in its response that we can now celebrate this as a great victory for the freedom of Norwegians?\n\nReally? That one just escapes the definition (with doubts) of psychological violence against their children?\n\nWould you celebrate if someone said that about you and your child?","author_fullname":"t2_13lcbzt","saved":false,"mod_reason_title":null,"gilded":0,"clicked":false,"title":"Verdict in Norwegian and my first analysis","link_flair_richtext":[{"e":"text","t":"News"}],"subreddit_name_prefixed":"r/exjw","hidden":false,"pwls":7,"link_flair_css_class":"news","downs":0,"thumbnail_height":null,"top_awarded_type":null,"hide_score":false,"name":"t3_1jb6uq8","quarantine":false,"link_flair_text_color":"dark","upvote_ratio":0.99,"author_flair_background_color":null,"subreddit_type":"public","ups":85,"total_awards_received":0,"media_embed":{},"thumbnail_width":null,"author_flair_template_id":"9d802a98-b766-11e6-a40a-0e1cfceb9f30","is_original_content":false,"user_reports":[],"secure_media":null,"is_reddit_media_domain":false,"is_meta":false,"category":null,"secure_media_embed":{},"link_flair_text":"News","can_mod_post":false,"score":85,"approved_by":null,"is_created_from_ads_ui":false,"author_premium":false,"thumbnail":"self","edited":false,"author_flair_css_class":null,"author_flair_richtext":[{"e":"text","t":"<-----King of the North!"}],"gildings":{},"content_categories":null,"is_self":true,"mod_note":null,"created":1741966830.0,"link_flair_type":"richtext","wls":7,"removed_by_category":null,"banned_by":null,"author_flair_type":"richtext","domain":"self.exjw","allow_live_comments":false,"selftext_html":"<!-- SC_OFF --><div class=\"md\"><p>I have now accessed the judgment, and have some comments. So, those who read can make up their own minds.</p>\n\n<p>Here is a link to the judgment, read it yourself or translate it into your language with available tools:</p>\n\n<p><a href=\"https://drive.google.com/file/d/1pFi9cgYUW24SOJqbnVWvL7IN52q_nlfb/view?usp=sharing\">https://drive.google.com/file/d/1pFi9cgYUW24SOJqbnVWvL7IN52q_nlfb/view?usp=sharing</a></p>\n\n<p>Pages 13-18:</p>\n\n<p>The Court of Appeal assumes that the allegations/information the State has based on regarding JV&#39;s practice of exclusion is correct. The testimonies and the evidence confirm this. We have been believed in all our information about the facts of the case, despite JV&#39;s attempts to discredit it. Good.</p>\n\n<p>Page 20, regarding the right to free withdrawal, the court states:</p>\n\n<p>&quot;It is not doubtful, nor disputed – that a withdrawal could have very serious consequences for the person who withdraws in terms of the possibility of contact with those who are still Jehovah&#39;s Witnesses. This also applies to close family members. This could be experienced as very difficult by many, both those who have withdrawn but also remaining Jehovah&#39;s Witnesses. This is confirmed by the witnesses in the case who had withdrawn or been excluded, and also by the professional literature presented.&quot;</p>\n\n<p>Direct quote. Again, our information is taken as fact. Undisputed. But then comes the assessments:</p>\n\n<p>&quot;The question is whether the social consequences as a result of losing, or at least having greatly reduced contact with, members of Jehovah&#39;s Witnesses – including family members\n– if one withdraws, are in conflict with the right to free withdrawal.&quot;</p>\n\n<p>This is where the court differs from all the others that have considered the case, by writing:</p>\n\n<p>&quot;As stated above, it is practically easy to withdraw from Jehovah&#39;s Witnesses. It is sufficient to send a letter to the congregation about the withdrawal. There is no evidence that a withdrawal is not respected or that the congregation is particularly trying to persuade the member to re-join. The possible obstacles to withdrawal are therefore related here to the consequences of withdrawal, which are reduced social contact with remaining members, including family members.\nSuch reduced contact with former members of Jehovah&#39;s Witnesses, and especially close family members such as parents and children with whom one no longer lives, but also, for example, grandparents and grandchildren, will be very difficult and burdensome for most people.</p>\n\n<p>The Court of Appeal assumes, based on the evidence, that such consequences of withdrawal for some are so negative that some members choose not to withdraw for that reason.</p>\n\n<p>The Court of Appeal nevertheless believes that these consequences do not constitute sufficient undue pressure to constitute a violation of the member&#39;s right to free withdrawal under Article 9 of the ECHR.</p>\n\n<p>The Court has therefore accepted the facts that withdrawal entails extreme consequences implemented by those who receive state aid, assuming that this means that people end up being members against their will (!!), but still believes that this is not &quot;sufficient undue pressure&quot;.</p>\n\n<p>This is where the law in the Court of Appeal completely falls away from the psychological, emotional and human. If the systematic use of family ties as a weapon to prevent people from withdrawing, which the Court acknowledges that it is, is not sufficient undue pressure, then what is it? Where can this paragraph be used?</p>\n\n<p>So when it comes to the processes against children, I repeat: CHILDREN, the Court of Appeal writes this on page 27:</p>\n\n<p>&quot;Although the process can be very unpleasant, and in part also humiliating, the Court of Appeal nevertheless believes - under doubt - that the process as such cannot be considered psychological violence. The process will normally last for a relatively short period of time until a possible exclusion.\nThe process cannot therefore be said to constitute a &quot;pattern of offensive acts or behaviour that is repeated or persists over time&quot;, cf. that this is something that would normally be the case for something to be considered psychological violence, cf. the committee&#39;s understanding in NOU 2024:13 reproduced above. .\nThe fact that the process is short-lived means that, in the Court of Appeal&#39;s view, it does not have the character of psychological &quot;abuse&quot;</p>\n\n<p>So, what can one say? First of all, the abuse is not long enough for the Court of Appeal, that in itself is...well? But the most egregious thing is that the court ignores the fact that this is not something that lasts beyond the moment the expulsion is carried out. The child must continue to live with the consequences! This is not short-lived. It is for the rest of his life.</p>\n\n<p>So, on page 28, the court says this:</p>\n\n<p>If the process ends with the minor baptized member being expelled, there is no doubt that it will normally be very difficult and difficult for everyone involved that the\nsocial contact with other baptized members of Jehovah&#39;s Witnesses is broken off or greatly reduced. For family members who are Jehovah&#39;s Witnesses and with whom one does not live, the contact will be reduced to contact in &quot;necessary&quot; family matters. This must be assumed to be\nespecially demanding for children who will then, for example, have significantly reduced contact with grandparents and aunts and uncles who are JJehovah&#39;s Witnesses, as well as with siblings who are Jehovah&#39;s Witnesses and who have moved away from home. Furthermore, the child will lose contact with other members of the congregation, for example friends in the congregation. For children of Jehovah&#39;s Witnesses, it must be assumed that much of the social circle will be other children and young people in the congregation, which makes it extra difficult to lose contact with them.</p>\n\n<p>The Court of Appeal, however, still believes – here also with doubts – that the social distancing that a minor child may experience through exclusion cannot be considered psychological violence.&quot;</p>\n\n<p>So look at what they write. JV&#39;s practice is UNDER DOUBT, not within the definition of psychological violence against children.</p>\n\n<p>This is what they are celebrating. That the Court of Appeal ended up using its DOUBT WHETHER IT CAN BE CONSIDERED AS MENTAL VIOLENCE AGAINST CHILDREN, as a reason to grant JV&#39;s case.</p>\n\n<p>They repeat this on page 29:</p>\n\n<p>&quot;According to this, the Court of Appeal believes that even though both the exclusion process and the social distancing in the event of exclusion will be very stressful for most children,</p>\n\n<p>as mentioned – with doubts – it has not been proven probable that the practice constitutes psychological violence against children.&quot;</p>\n\n<p>Really something to celebrate? JV says in its response that we can now celebrate this as a great victory for the freedom of Norwegians?</p>\n\n<p>Really? That one just escapes the definition (with doubts) of psychological violence against their children?</p>\n\n<p>Would you celebrate if someone said that about you and your child?</p>\n</div><!-- SC_ON -->","likes":null,"suggested_sort":null,"banned_at_utc":null,"view_count":null,"archived":false,"no_follow":false,"is_crosspostable":false,"pinned":false,"over_18":false,"all_awardings":[],"awarders":[],"media_only":false,"link_flair_template_id":"ab1fff82-6405-11e8-86f3-0e5f20cd29ce","can_gild":false,"spoiler":false,"locked":false,"author_flair_text":"<-----King of the North!","treatment_tags":[],"visited":false,"removed_by":null,"num_reports":null,"distinguished":null,"subreddit_id":"t5_2qp5l","author_is_blocked":false,"mod_reason_by":null,"removal_reason":null,"link_flair_background_color":"#bbbdbf","id":"1jb6uq8","is_robot_indexable":true,"report_reasons":null,"author":"FrodeKommode","discussion_type":null,"num_comments":39,"send_replies":true,"contest_mode":false,"mod_reports":[],"author_patreon_flair":false,"author_flair_text_color":"dark","permalink":"/r/exjw/comments/1jb6uq8/verdict_in_norwegian_and_my_first_analysis/","stickied":false,"url":"https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/1jb6uq8/verdict_in_norwegian_and_my_first_analysis/","subreddit_subscribers":119984,"created_utc":1741966830.0,"num_crossposts":1,"media":null,"is_video":false}
{"approved_at_utc":null,"subreddit":"exjw","selftext":"Auto translate from my Facebook in Norwegian:\n\nThe verdict is out.\n\nhttps://drive.google.com/file/d/1pFi9cgYUW24SOJqbnVWvL7IN52q_nlfb/view?usp=drivesdk\n\nAfter full understanding and decision by the State Administrator, full confirmation in the appeal case by the Ministry of Children and Family Affairs, three victories in the injunction case, a full victory in the district court, we now faced a loss in the Court of Appeal.\n\nThese are the kinds of things you always risk when fighting against someone who never gives up, who has unlimited resources to hire teams of the most expensive lawyers you can find, and lobbying forces that manage to get even human rights organizations like the Norwegian Helsinki Committee to take their side and work against our case.\n\nI have not read the verdict, have not read the reasoning, have not seen what the consequences will be. I expect the State to appeal this to the Supreme Court, which JV would also do if they lost. In that sense, this does not have any consequences right now, beyond a little disappointment.\n\n\"Liv Inger Gabrielsen at the Government Attorney represented the state at the Ministry of Children and Family Affairs in court. She comments on the verdict as follows:\n\n– The Court of Appeal shares the ministry's view that the practice of Jehovah's Witnesses towards children who violate the norms of the religious community and risk exclusion can be very unpleasant, humiliating and demanding, among other things because they can lose contact with family members and friends. Nevertheless, the court \"doubts\" that this is not psychological violence that violates children's rights, she writes to Vårt Land.\"\n\nUnfortunately, the law has its limitations when you always have to deal with people who have no idea whatsoever about how such groups work. How language works, how control works. How total control over people cannot be transferred to written arguments in a completely different setting.\n\nBut no matter what happens, the point of this has always been public education, understanding, community, the desire for reforms, the need to tell our story. Establishing the voices of those who should never be allowed to have a voice.\n\nThe fight for the freedom to be able to make one's life choices without facing heavy, life-destroying reprisals from the same organization that received state support in our name.\n\nThat fight continues. If the Court of Appeal's judgment stands up to the Supreme Court, §6 of the Religious Communities Act is in practice stone dead and will never be used anywhere. If it cannot be used against JV and their detailed instructions for how defectors are to be punished, it will not be used against anyone else either. Then it must be rewritten.\n\nThe last chapter has not been written anyway.\n\nHere is my comment in Vårt Land:\n\nJan Frode Nilsen is a former member of Jehovah's Witnesses and has testified for the state in court. He is disappointed by the judgment.\n\n- I am critical of the judgment, but cannot go into depth without having read the reasoning. There is something about the sentence \"it was not made probable either\". If you can't prove Section 6 to a religious community that has written instructions on exclusion, then Section 6 of the Religious Communities Act is completely dead, he says.\n\nHe also points out that judges often have a different opinion of the matter than those who have lived in the religious community.\n\n- Law and religion are two worlds that collide, and therefore there can be differences in the understanding of how closed religious communities function, he says.\n\nNilsen clarifies to Vårt Land that he has not yet read the reasoning of the Court of Appeal.\n\n- I have always expected that this case would go to the Supreme Court. The difference is that they enter as \"winners\", I had hoped to avoid that.\n\nhttps://www.vl.no/religion/2025/03/14/jehovas-vitner-motte-staten-i-retten-na-er-dommen-klar/","author_fullname":"t2_13lcbzt","saved":false,"mod_reason_title":null,"gilded":0,"clicked":false,"title":"Statement on the verdict","link_flair_richtext":[{"e":"text","t":"Venting"}],"subreddit_name_prefixed":"r/exjw","hidden":false,"pwls":7,"link_flair_css_class":"","downs":0,"thumbnail_height":null,"top_awarded_type":null,"hide_score":false,"name":"t3_1jb3j5y","quarantine":false,"link_flair_text_color":"light","upvote_ratio":0.99,"author_flair_background_color":null,"subreddit_type":"public","ups":77,"total_awards_received":0,"media_embed":{},"thumbnail_width":null,"author_flair_template_id":"9d802a98-b766-11e6-a40a-0e1cfceb9f30","is_original_content":false,"user_reports":[],"secure_media":null,"is_reddit_media_domain":false,"is_meta":false,"category":null,"secure_media_embed":{},"link_flair_text":"Venting","can_mod_post":false,"score":77,"approved_by":null,"is_created_from_ads_ui":false,"author_premium":false,"thumbnail":"self","edited":1741959430.0,"author_flair_css_class":null,"author_flair_richtext":[{"e":"text","t":"<-----King of the North!"}],"gildings":{},"content_categories":null,"is_self":true,"mod_note":null,"created":1741957797.0,"link_flair_type":"richtext","wls":7,"removed_by_category":null,"banned_by":null,"author_flair_type":"richtext","domain":"self.exjw","allow_live_comments":false,"selftext_html":"<!-- SC_OFF --><div class=\"md\"><p>Auto translate from my Facebook in Norwegian:</p>\n\n<p>The verdict is out.</p>\n\n<p><a href=\"https://drive.google.com/file/d/1pFi9cgYUW24SOJqbnVWvL7IN52q_nlfb/view?usp=drivesdk\">https://drive.google.com/file/d/1pFi9cgYUW24SOJqbnVWvL7IN52q_nlfb/view?usp=drivesdk</a></p>\n\n<p>After full understanding and decision by the State Administrator, full confirmation in the appeal case by the Ministry of Children and Family Affairs, three victories in the injunction case, a full victory in the district court, we now faced a loss in the Court of Appeal.</p>\n\n<p>These are the kinds of things you always risk when fighting against someone who never gives up, who has unlimited resources to hire teams of the most expensive lawyers you can find, and lobbying forces that manage to get even human rights organizations like the Norwegian Helsinki Committee to take their side and work against our case.</p>\n\n<p>I have not read the verdict, have not read the reasoning, have not seen what the consequences will be. I expect the State to appeal this to the Supreme Court, which JV would also do if they lost. In that sense, this does not have any consequences right now, beyond a little disappointment.</p>\n\n<p>&quot;Liv Inger Gabrielsen at the Government Attorney represented the state at the Ministry of Children and Family Affairs in court. She comments on the verdict as follows:</p>\n\n<p>– The Court of Appeal shares the ministry&#39;s view that the practice of Jehovah&#39;s Witnesses towards children who violate the norms of the religious community and risk exclusion can be very unpleasant, humiliating and demanding, among other things because they can lose contact with family members and friends. Nevertheless, the court &quot;doubts&quot; that this is not psychological violence that violates children&#39;s rights, she writes to Vårt Land.&quot;</p>\n\n<p>Unfortunately, the law has its limitations when you always have to deal with people who have no idea whatsoever about how such groups work. How language works, how control works. How total control over people cannot be transferred to written arguments in a completely different setting.</p>\n\n<p>But no matter what happens, the point of this has always been public education, understanding, community, the desire for reforms, the need to tell our story. Establishing the voices of those who should never be allowed to have a voice.</p>\n\n<p>The fight for the freedom to be able to make one&#39;s life choices without facing heavy, life-destroying reprisals from the same organization that received state support in our name.</p>\n\n<p>That fight continues. If the Court of Appeal&#39;s judgment stands up to the Supreme Court, §6 of the Religious Communities Act is in practice stone dead and will never be used anywhere. If it cannot be used against JV and their detailed instructions for how defectors are to be punished, it will not be used against anyone else either. Then it must be rewritten.</p>\n\n<p>The last chapter has not been written anyway.</p>\n\n<p>Here is my comment in Vårt Land:</p>\n\n<p>Jan Frode Nilsen is a former member of Jehovah&#39;s Witnesses and has testified for the state in court. He is disappointed by the judgment.</p>\n\n<ul>\n<li>I am critical of the judgment, but cannot go into depth without having read the reasoning. There is something about the sentence &quot;it was not made probable either&quot;. If you can&#39;t prove Section 6 to a religious community that has written instructions on exclusion, then Section 6 of the Religious Communities Act is completely dead, he says.</li>\n</ul>\n\n<p>He also points out that judges often have a different opinion of the matter than those who have lived in the religious community.</p>\n\n<ul>\n<li>Law and religion are two worlds that collide, and therefore there can be differences in the understanding of how closed religious communities function, he says.</li>\n</ul>\n\n<p>Nilsen clarifies to Vårt Land that he has not yet read the reasoning of the Court of Appeal.</p>\n\n<ul>\n<li>I have always expected that this case would go to the Supreme Court. 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{"approved_at_utc":null,"subreddit":"exjw","selftext":"***I'm leaving now, and I bid you a very fond farewell.***\n\nThese are the words of Bilbo Baggins, as he slipped away from the crowd that celebrated his 111th birthday.\n\nIt's been an insane ride, from the first time I stepped into this room and tried to make some kind of account name that wasn't taken, ended up with FrodeKommode, a nick that probably makes absolutely no sense to any of you.\n\nExjw Reddit has been a part of my journey, through my darkest hours, three times in court and endless amount of newspaper articles and written opinions, ending up with yestarday's climax, my third appearance in Norwegian court in three years, testifying against the religion I once built my life around.\n\nSince my profile is so full of history worth saving I'll always keep it up there for future researchers, but apart from that my aim is to stay away from now on, for my own mental health, and the urge to step away.\n\nNews from Norway will be privately shared with Larchwood and others that are there to spread the important information flow. 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{"approved_at_utc":null,"subreddit":"exjw","selftext":"*Context: This a translation of my original Facebook post from last night, written while I couldn't sleep.*  \n*Facebook link if you want to use, comment or share, it is put public:*  \n[*https://www.facebook.com/share/p/1QohuMFXQ3/*](https://www.facebook.com/share/p/1QohuMFXQ3/)  \n*Be careful about your privacy*\n\n*Note: After I wrote and published this I have received information that my father has been pulled out from the case and will no longer be a witness in court. There are some conflicting intel from different sources, so it is a bit uncertain. He is still on the official, published witness list and schedule. Time will show.*\n\n# Et tu, Brute?\n\nAnd so, we once again prepare for another round in court. Another public airing of grievances, where one major theme will take center stage: **broken family ties**. Children who no longer see their parents. Parents who no longer wish to have contact with their children.\n\n**All in the name of religion.**  \nBased on the texts of the Bible.  \nThe words of Jesus when he walked among us on earth.\n\nThis time, the scenario becomes even more literal for me. For the third time in three years, I will testify on behalf of the Norwegian State. This time, my own father is on the opposing side’s witness list.\n\nI’ll let the legal issues be decided in court and won’t say much about that here, other than to affirm my father’s absolute right to express his views—just as I know he acknowledges my corresponding right. However, I do have some thoughts about the human and theological aspects, which don’t belong before a human judge in the Court of Appeal.\n\n*\"****Do not think I came to bring peace to the earth; I came to bring, not peace, but a sword.For I came to cause division, with a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law****(...).* *Whoever has greater affection for father or mother than for me is not worthy of me; and whoever has greater affection for son or daughter than for me is not worthy of me.\\*\\*\"*\n\nThese are the words of Jesus Himself, according to Matthew 10, here quoted from NWT, Jehovah’s Witnesses’ translation.\n\nSo, is what unfolds in Borgarting Court of Appeal over the next two weeks a fulfillment of Jesus’ words? Is this what He desired? Is it a sign that Jehovah’s Witnesses are fulfilling Jesus’ commandments by always placing their religion above the close bonds of their immediate family?\n\n**When I look at my own children and think that I would never, ever, ever let my ties to them be broken, no matter what they grow up to believe, think, or become, does that make me an enemy of Jesus?**\n\nIs that really what Jesus wanted to convey? Was His prophecy a wish, a command? Or was He foreseeing what is happening now—that a Pharisaic attitude toward rules and human commands would tear families apart in His name? Who knows?\n\nI see another Jesus described. One who preferred the company of outcasts. Among those who struggled, who didn’t fit in among what was demanded of them. Who were trampled upon. Those who were crooked and flawed. That’s where He showed His love. At the same time, He could be full of fury against religious leaders who imposed heavy burdens that broke those same people.\n\n**I also read, in the parable of the prodigal son, about a father who, even when he saw his son far off—long before the situation was resolved or the son apologized—ran toward him, full of unconditional love.**\n\nSo, what did He really mean?\n\nMaybe we have to find our own way—decide for ourselves when we look into our children’s eyes and consider what truly matters in this world. Maybe that was His point: that we are responsible for our own choices, for how we treat those closest to us, regardless of what we are told by religious leaders interpreting the text on our behalf.\n\nMy father and I see the situation in completely opposite ways and make our choices based on that. Perhaps one of us is right. Perhaps we are both wrong. The only certainty is that we cannot both have made the correct choice.\n\nIf his worldview is correct and he belongs to the one true religion, led by a Governing Body directly inspired by his God, Jehovah, then he is right to follow their instructions. These instructions clearly state that he must place religion above family ties and severely limit contact with his son. A son who has rejected the greatest gift he could give him: an upbringing in The Truth, the one true religion, a path to Paradise. **Who would want such a son anyway?** It must be a heavy choice, but he is doing what his God asks of him, even at great cost.\n\n**If my worldview is correct, I have made a necessary choice. A choice to leave an all-consuming religion that simply isn’t true. To protect my own mental health and well-being, but also because I want to give my children a better life than the one I had. A choice rooted first and foremost in love for them, but also in a burning desire to live an authentic life based on what I believe and who I am.**\n\n**The price for such a choice is one I am willing to pay.**\n\nFor me, my family’s reaction—which is exactly what you would expect based on the teachings they’ve received—serves as confirmation that the choice is correct. For me, it is merely a sorrow I must carry: that my parents do not have the unconditional love for me that I have for my children but instead place the instructions of their religious leaders above it.\n\nAnd here we stand.  \nIt is what it is.  \nFather and son.  \nWe are two of the witnesses who will step into courtroom K31 and tell our respective sides in the coming weeks.\n\nOne by one, similar stories will unfold. Two worlds, one heartbreaking story after another. Lives lived, shattered hopes for a good life together with family. Devout Jehovah’s Witnesses who have lost their estranged children, siblings, and grandchildren to a dark void. Estranged children who, at a young age, have had to fend for themselves without their loved ones, alone in a foreign, dark world they were warned against during their upbringing. Kicked out because they didn't believe in the religion they were born into.\n\nThe lawyers have their interpretations.\n\nWho has the right to what? The right of an organization to exercise its powers in the name of religion stands against the individual’s freedom of thought. Commentators from the outside offer their cold analyses from a distance. Large sums of money are involved—not just for Jehovah’s Witnesses but for other religions fearing restrictions and conditions.\n\nIn the middle of all this stand my father and I.\n\nNoomi, Rakel, Leander, Rolf, Hilde, Merethe, Maria, Tony, and many others will also step in with similar stories.\n\n**I bow my head in gratitude that I don’t have to face it alone.**\n\nI am also deeply thankful to all those who have shared their stories through the media in recent years. Ida and Louise in *Brennpunkt*. Ashley in *KK*. Therese, who gave everything. And all of you others, one by one, who found the courage to join us in telling their story. Every single one of those voices, big or small, are added up to the choir I now have beside me. I would never have been able to do any of this without you.\n\nFor all of us, this is not about the law. It’s not about money or recognition or punishment or whatever the judges ultimately decide from their legal perspective. It’s not about winning—we will never get back what was lost. No one will come and heal our wounds, regardless of the case’s outcome.\n\nFor us, it is about grief. About sorrow. About looking back on everything and asking the big questions:  \n**Was this how it was meant to be?**  \n**Is this what You wanted, Jesus?**  \n**Is this what religion was meant to be?**  \n**What is freedom? Who are we trying to protect?**  \n**What values do we stand for?**  \n**Who made the right choice?**  \n**Who destroyed everything?**  \n**Who sacrificed their beloved Isaac to prove their loyalty?**\n\nNo judge in the Court of Appeals can answer those questions.\n\nBut we will try anyway, as best we can. If nothing else, we’ve done that. Tried. Spoken up.\n\nWe’ll be remembered as those who dared to speak out on behalf of all those who couldn’t.","author_fullname":"t2_13lcbzt","saved":false,"mod_reason_title":null,"gilded":0,"clicked":false,"title":"JWvsNorway - Et tu, Brute? - My thoughts from last night","link_flair_richtext":[{"e":"text","t":"Activism"}],"subreddit_name_prefixed":"r/exjw","hidden":false,"pwls":7,"link_flair_css_class":"activism","downs":0,"thumbnail_height":null,"top_awarded_type":null,"hide_score":false,"name":"t3_1ielj9d","quarantine":false,"link_flair_text_color":"dark","upvote_ratio":0.98,"author_flair_background_color":null,"subreddit_type":"public","ups":114,"total_awards_received":0,"media_embed":{},"thumbnail_width":null,"author_flair_template_id":"9d802a98-b766-11e6-a40a-0e1cfceb9f30","is_original_content":false,"user_reports":[],"secure_media":null,"is_reddit_media_domain":false,"is_meta":false,"category":null,"secure_media_embed":{},"link_flair_text":"Activism","can_mod_post":false,"score":114,"approved_by":null,"is_created_from_ads_ui":false,"author_premium":false,"thumbnail":"self","edited":1738348271.0,"author_flair_css_class":null,"author_flair_richtext":[{"e":"text","t":"<-----King of the North!"}],"gildings":{},"content_categories":null,"is_self":true,"mod_note":null,"created":1738347969.0,"link_flair_type":"richtext","wls":7,"removed_by_category":null,"banned_by":null,"author_flair_type":"richtext","domain":"self.exjw","allow_live_comments":false,"selftext_html":"<!-- SC_OFF --><div class=\"md\"><p><em>Context: This a translation of my original Facebook post from last night, written while I couldn&#39;t sleep.</em><br/>\n<em>Facebook link if you want to use, comment or share, it is put public:</em><br/>\n<a href=\"https://www.facebook.com/share/p/1QohuMFXQ3/\"><em>https://www.facebook.com/share/p/1QohuMFXQ3/</em></a><br/>\n<em>Be careful about your privacy</em></p>\n\n<p><em>Note: After I wrote and published this I have received information that my father has been pulled out from the case and will no longer be a witness in court. There are some conflicting intel from different sources, so it is a bit uncertain. He is still on the official, published witness list and schedule. Time will show.</em></p>\n\n<h1>Et tu, Brute?</h1>\n\n<p>And so, we once again prepare for another round in court. Another public airing of grievances, where one major theme will take center stage: <strong>broken family ties</strong>. Children who no longer see their parents. Parents who no longer wish to have contact with their children.</p>\n\n<p><strong>All in the name of religion.</strong><br/>\nBased on the texts of the Bible.<br/>\nThe words of Jesus when he walked among us on earth.</p>\n\n<p>This time, the scenario becomes even more literal for me. For the third time in three years, I will testify on behalf of the Norwegian State. This time, my own father is on the opposing side’s witness list.</p>\n\n<p>I’ll let the legal issues be decided in court and won’t say much about that here, other than to affirm my father’s absolute right to express his views—just as I know he acknowledges my corresponding right. However, I do have some thoughts about the human and theological aspects, which don’t belong before a human judge in the Court of Appeal.</p>\n\n<p><em>&quot;</em><strong><em>Do not think I came to bring peace to the earth; I came to bring, not peace, but a sword.For I came to cause division, with a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law</em></strong><em>(...).</em> <em>Whoever has greater affection for father or mother than for me is not worthy of me; and whoever has greater affection for son or daughter than for me is not worthy of me.\\</em>*&quot;*</p>\n\n<p>These are the words of Jesus Himself, according to Matthew 10, here quoted from NWT, Jehovah’s Witnesses’ translation.</p>\n\n<p>So, is what unfolds in Borgarting Court of Appeal over the next two weeks a fulfillment of Jesus’ words? Is this what He desired? Is it a sign that Jehovah’s Witnesses are fulfilling Jesus’ commandments by always placing their religion above the close bonds of their immediate family?</p>\n\n<p><strong>When I look at my own children and think that I would never, ever, ever let my ties to them be broken, no matter what they grow up to believe, think, or become, does that make me an enemy of Jesus?</strong></p>\n\n<p>Is that really what Jesus wanted to convey? Was His prophecy a wish, a command? Or was He foreseeing what is happening now—that a Pharisaic attitude toward rules and human commands would tear families apart in His name? Who knows?</p>\n\n<p>I see another Jesus described. One who preferred the company of outcasts. Among those who struggled, who didn’t fit in among what was demanded of them. Who were trampled upon. Those who were crooked and flawed. That’s where He showed His love. At the same time, He could be full of fury against religious leaders who imposed heavy burdens that broke those same people.</p>\n\n<p><strong>I also read, in the parable of the prodigal son, about a father who, even when he saw his son far off—long before the situation was resolved or the son apologized—ran toward him, full of unconditional love.</strong></p>\n\n<p>So, what did He really mean?</p>\n\n<p>Maybe we have to find our own way—decide for ourselves when we look into our children’s eyes and consider what truly matters in this world. Maybe that was His point: that we are responsible for our own choices, for how we treat those closest to us, regardless of what we are told by religious leaders interpreting the text on our behalf.</p>\n\n<p>My father and I see the situation in completely opposite ways and make our choices based on that. Perhaps one of us is right. Perhaps we are both wrong. The only certainty is that we cannot both have made the correct choice.</p>\n\n<p>If his worldview is correct and he belongs to the one true religion, led by a Governing Body directly inspired by his God, Jehovah, then he is right to follow their instructions. These instructions clearly state that he must place religion above family ties and severely limit contact with his son. A son who has rejected the greatest gift he could give him: an upbringing in The Truth, the one true religion, a path to Paradise. <strong>Who would want such a son anyway?</strong> It must be a heavy choice, but he is doing what his God asks of him, even at great cost.</p>\n\n<p><strong>If my worldview is correct, I have made a necessary choice. A choice to leave an all-consuming religion that simply isn’t true. To protect my own mental health and well-being, but also because I want to give my children a better life than the one I had. A choice rooted first and foremost in love for them, but also in a burning desire to live an authentic life based on what I believe and who I am.</strong></p>\n\n<p><strong>The price for such a choice is one I am willing to pay.</strong></p>\n\n<p>For me, my family’s reaction—which is exactly what you would expect based on the teachings they’ve received—serves as confirmation that the choice is correct. For me, it is merely a sorrow I must carry: that my parents do not have the unconditional love for me that I have for my children but instead place the instructions of their religious leaders above it.</p>\n\n<p>And here we stand.<br/>\nIt is what it is.<br/>\nFather and son.<br/>\nWe are two of the witnesses who will step into courtroom K31 and tell our respective sides in the coming weeks.</p>\n\n<p>One by one, similar stories will unfold. Two worlds, one heartbreaking story after another. Lives lived, shattered hopes for a good life together with family. Devout Jehovah’s Witnesses who have lost their estranged children, siblings, and grandchildren to a dark void. Estranged children who, at a young age, have had to fend for themselves without their loved ones, alone in a foreign, dark world they were warned against during their upbringing. Kicked out because they didn&#39;t believe in the religion they were born into.</p>\n\n<p>The lawyers have their interpretations.</p>\n\n<p>Who has the right to what? The right of an organization to exercise its powers in the name of religion stands against the individual’s freedom of thought. Commentators from the outside offer their cold analyses from a distance. Large sums of money are involved—not just for Jehovah’s Witnesses but for other religions fearing restrictions and conditions.</p>\n\n<p>In the middle of all this stand my father and I.</p>\n\n<p>Noomi, Rakel, Leander, Rolf, Hilde, Merethe, Maria, Tony, and many others will also step in with similar stories.</p>\n\n<p><strong>I bow my head in gratitude that I don’t have to face it alone.</strong></p>\n\n<p>I am also deeply thankful to all those who have shared their stories through the media in recent years. Ida and Louise in <em>Brennpunkt</em>. Ashley in <em>KK</em>. Therese, who gave everything. And all of you others, one by one, who found the courage to join us in telling their story. Every single one of those voices, big or small, are added up to the choir I now have beside me. I would never have been able to do any of this without you.</p>\n\n<p>For all of us, this is not about the law. 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Jehovah's Witnesses' lawyer, Anders Ryssdal.\n\nThe state believes the Court of Appeal’s ruling is correct, says government attorney Liv Inger Gjone Gabrielsen, who represents the state.\n\nLast year, Jehovah’s Witnesses lost the trial regarding state subsidies and registration against the state, but appealed the case to the Court of Appeal. The case will therefore be retried at the beginning of February. In this regard, the religious community has called for two international experts to be summoned as expert witnesses. They want professors Jean Zermatten and Roberta Ruggiero to explain the law in the appeal case.\n\nDuring the trial, Jehovah’s Witnesses also want to have a report prepared by the two professors presented.\n\nBut the opposing party, the state, wants neither of these things – and the religious community is being denied by the Borgarting Court of Appeal. This is clear from a ruling from the Court of Appeal before Christmas.\n\nJehovah’s Witnesses have filed a lawsuit after the authorities decided to deprive them of their registration as a religious community and thus also the state subsidy that comes with it. Norwegian authorities believe they have been able to do this because they consider the Jehovah's Witnesses' exclusion practice to be in violation of the Religious Communities Act.\n\n(picture) \n\n\nDISAGREE: Government Attorney Liv Inger Gjone Gabrielsen represents the state.. They do not want the Jehovah's Witnesses' proposed expert witnesses to be called to the upcoming appeal case. (Erlend Berge)\n\n\"Hardly accessible material\"\n\nIt is the Jehovah's Witnesses' controversial exclusion practice that is the reason why the religious community has been denied state subsidies and registration as a religious community. According to the state, the practice violates both the members' freedom of association, but also the rights of children as defined in the Religious Communities Act and the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child.\n\nNow that the case is to be retried, Jehovah's Witnesses believe it is necessary to call in international expertise on, among other things, the Convention on the Rights of the Child. They believe that the Convention on the Rights of the Child and its associated sources are \"hardly accessible material, even for very competent Norwegian lawyers,\" they have explained to the Court of Appeal.\n\nBoth Jean Zermatten and Roberta Ruggiero believe they are relevant as expert witnesses with their \"very extensive knowledge and long experience related to children's rights\".\n\nZermatten is a former member and president of the UN Children's Committee, while Ruggiero is director of the Children's Rights Academy at the University of Geneva, Switzerland.\n\n(Jehovah's Witnesses\n\nWORLDWIDE ORGANIZATION: According to their own statistics, Jehovah's Witnesses were active in 239 countries in 2022 and had around 8.5 million members (active preachers) distributed across 117,960 congregations.) \n\n\"Readily available\"\n\nAn expert is a person who has special professional knowledge on a subject and who can explain this in court. However, this requires permission from the court, according to the Civil Procedure Act. The conditions for granting permission are also strict, explains Government Attorney Liv Inger Gjone Gabrielsen.\n\n The reason is that it is the lawyers who are supposed to present the law in court cases. It is therefore very rare for the court to allow this to be done by witnesses instead, she says.\n\nThis is one of the reasons why the state does not want the two professors to be used in the upcoming appeal case.\n\nThe state believes that it is fundamentally important to limit explanations about law in order to prevent the legal basis from slipping, says Gjone.\n\nThe state also believes that the application of the law in the case can be elucidated “fully properly” without providing evidence about the Convention on the Rights of the Child.\n\nThe Court of Appeal also believes this.\n\n“Norwegian and foreign legal literature on the Convention on the Rights of the Child is relatively extensive and easily accessible,” they refer to in their ruling. Provisions in the Convention on the Rights of the Child have also been tested by Norwegian courts in many cases, they write.\n\n“In the view of the Court of Appeal, the application of the law in the case can therefore be elucidated fully properly without the explanation from Professor Zermatten,” the ruling states. The same applies to the testimony from Ruggiero. The refusal is justified based on Section 11-3 of the Dispute Act.\n\n Independence may be questioned\n\nJehovah's Witnesses also want a report prepared by Professor Zermatten, with contributions fromag from Professor Ruggiero, will be presented during the appeal. But the state does not want this either, and has, among other things, pointed out that the report was prepared in connection with the case on behalf of Jehovah's Witnesses.\n\nThe rule that requires all parties in the case to consent to such reports being presented is important in the state's view. The rule is intended to prevent reports from being presented where the independence of the author can be questioned, says Gjone.\n\nThe state receives support in these points from the Court of Appeal.\n\n(picture) \nJørgen Pedersen, spokesman for Jehovah's Witnesses\nSTATEMENT: - It is remarkable and worrying from a human rights perspective that the state does not show interest in what renowned experts on children's rights can contribute to the current case, says Jørgen Pedersen, spokesperson for the Jehovah's Witnesses' information department in Scandinavia. (Morten Marius Larsen)\n\n Worrying\n\nVårt Land mentioned the current report last fall when Jehovah's Witnesses asked the Ministry of Children and Family to reconsider the decisions to deny state subsidies and registration due to changes in the exclusion practice.\n\nOn that occasion, they sent over the current report from the two professors.\n\n In their expert opinion to the Ministry of Children and Family, they conclude that the religious practices of Jehovah's Witnesses are in accordance with and protected by the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child, says Jørgen Pedersen about the report. He is a spokesperson for the Jehovah's Witnesses' information department in Scandinavia.\n\n What do you think of the Court of Appeal's ruling?\n\n We recognize the Court of Appeal's ruling and recognize that acceptance of expert statements and expert witnesses requires consent from both parties to the case. 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Google translate below. </p>\n\n<p>Jehovah&#39;s Witnesses are not allowed to bring in international experts for trial</p>\n\n<p>COURT: When Jehovah&#39;s Witnesses meet the state in the appeal case regarding state subsidies, they want two international experts to be called as expert witnesses. Both the state and the Court of Appeal say no. - Worrying, says the religious community.</p>\n\n<p>Jehovah&#39;s Witnesses have filed a lawsuit after the authorities decided to deprive them of their registration as a religious community and thus also the state subsidy that comes with it. Norwegian authorities believe they were able to do this because they consider Jehovah&#39;s Witnesses&#39; exclusion practices to be in conflict with the Religious Communities Act. Oslo District Court. Jehovah&#39;s Witnesses&#39; lawyer, Anders Ryssdal.</p>\n\n<p>The state believes the Court of Appeal’s ruling is correct, says government attorney Liv Inger Gjone Gabrielsen, who represents the state.</p>\n\n<p>Last year, Jehovah’s Witnesses lost the trial regarding state subsidies and registration against the state, but appealed the case to the Court of Appeal. The case will therefore be retried at the beginning of February. In this regard, the religious community has called for two international experts to be summoned as expert witnesses. They want professors Jean Zermatten and Roberta Ruggiero to explain the law in the appeal case.</p>\n\n<p>During the trial, Jehovah’s Witnesses also want to have a report prepared by the two professors presented.</p>\n\n<p>But the opposing party, the state, wants neither of these things – and the religious community is being denied by the Borgarting Court of Appeal. This is clear from a ruling from the Court of Appeal before Christmas.</p>\n\n<p>Jehovah’s Witnesses have filed a lawsuit after the authorities decided to deprive them of their registration as a religious community and thus also the state subsidy that comes with it. Norwegian authorities believe they have been able to do this because they consider the Jehovah&#39;s Witnesses&#39; exclusion practice to be in violation of the Religious Communities Act.</p>\n\n<p>(picture) </p>\n\n<p>DISAGREE: Government Attorney Liv Inger Gjone Gabrielsen represents the state.. They do not want the Jehovah&#39;s Witnesses&#39; proposed expert witnesses to be called to the upcoming appeal case. (Erlend Berge)</p>\n\n<p>&quot;Hardly accessible material&quot;</p>\n\n<p>It is the Jehovah&#39;s Witnesses&#39; controversial exclusion practice that is the reason why the religious community has been denied state subsidies and registration as a religious community. According to the state, the practice violates both the members&#39; freedom of association, but also the rights of children as defined in the Religious Communities Act and the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child.</p>\n\n<p>Now that the case is to be retried, Jehovah&#39;s Witnesses believe it is necessary to call in international expertise on, among other things, the Convention on the Rights of the Child. They believe that the Convention on the Rights of the Child and its associated sources are &quot;hardly accessible material, even for very competent Norwegian lawyers,&quot; they have explained to the Court of Appeal.</p>\n\n<p>Both Jean Zermatten and Roberta Ruggiero believe they are relevant as expert witnesses with their &quot;very extensive knowledge and long experience related to children&#39;s rights&quot;.</p>\n\n<p>Zermatten is a former member and president of the UN Children&#39;s Committee, while Ruggiero is director of the Children&#39;s Rights Academy at the University of Geneva, Switzerland.</p>\n\n<p>(Jehovah&#39;s Witnesses</p>\n\n<p>WORLDWIDE ORGANIZATION: According to their own statistics, Jehovah&#39;s Witnesses were active in 239 countries in 2022 and had around 8.5 million members (active preachers) distributed across 117,960 congregations.) </p>\n\n<p>&quot;Readily available&quot;</p>\n\n<p>An expert is a person who has special professional knowledge on a subject and who can explain this in court. However, this requires permission from the court, according to the Civil Procedure Act. The conditions for granting permission are also strict, explains Government Attorney Liv Inger Gjone Gabrielsen.</p>\n\n<p>The reason is that it is the lawyers who are supposed to present the law in court cases. It is therefore very rare for the court to allow this to be done by witnesses instead, she says.</p>\n\n<p>This is one of the reasons why the state does not want the two professors to be used in the upcoming appeal case.</p>\n\n<p>The state believes that it is fundamentally important to limit explanations about law in order to prevent the legal basis from slipping, says Gjone.</p>\n\n<p>The state also believes that the application of the law in the case can be elucidated “fully properly” without providing evidence about the Convention on the Rights of the Child.</p>\n\n<p>The Court of Appeal also believes this.</p>\n\n<p>“Norwegian and foreign legal literature on the Convention on the Rights of the Child is relatively extensive and easily accessible,” they refer to in their ruling. Provisions in the Convention on the Rights of the Child have also been tested by Norwegian courts in many cases, they write.</p>\n\n<p>“In the view of the Court of Appeal, the application of the law in the case can therefore be elucidated fully properly without the explanation from Professor Zermatten,” the ruling states. The same applies to the testimony from Ruggiero. The refusal is justified based on Section 11-3 of the Dispute Act.</p>\n\n<p>Independence may be questioned</p>\n\n<p>Jehovah&#39;s Witnesses also want a report prepared by Professor Zermatten, with contributions fromag from Professor Ruggiero, will be presented during the appeal. But the state does not want this either, and has, among other things, pointed out that the report was prepared in connection with the case on behalf of Jehovah&#39;s Witnesses.</p>\n\n<p>The rule that requires all parties in the case to consent to such reports being presented is important in the state&#39;s view. The rule is intended to prevent reports from being presented where the independence of the author can be questioned, says Gjone.</p>\n\n<p>The state receives support in these points from the Court of Appeal.</p>\n\n<p>(picture) \nJørgen Pedersen, spokesman for Jehovah&#39;s Witnesses\nSTATEMENT: - It is remarkable and worrying from a human rights perspective that the state does not show interest in what renowned experts on children&#39;s rights can contribute to the current case, says Jørgen Pedersen, spokesperson for the Jehovah&#39;s Witnesses&#39; information department in Scandinavia. (Morten Marius Larsen)</p>\n\n<p>Worrying</p>\n\n<p>Vårt Land mentioned the current report last fall when Jehovah&#39;s Witnesses asked the Ministry of Children and Family to reconsider the decisions to deny state subsidies and registration due to changes in the exclusion practice.</p>\n\n<p>On that occasion, they sent over the current report from the two professors.</p>\n\n<p>In their expert opinion to the Ministry of Children and Family, they conclude that the religious practices of Jehovah&#39;s Witnesses are in accordance with and protected by the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child, says Jørgen Pedersen about the report. He is a spokesperson for the Jehovah&#39;s Witnesses&#39; information department in Scandinavia.</p>\n\n<p>What do you think of the Court of Appeal&#39;s ruling?</p>\n\n<p>We recognize the Court of Appeal&#39;s ruling and recognize that acceptance of expert statements and expert witnesses requires consent from both parties to the case. However, it is remarkable and worrying from a human rights perspective that the state does not show interest in what recognized experts on children&#39;s rights can contribute to the current case, says Jørgensen.</p>\n</div><!-- SC_ON -->","likes":null,"suggested_sort":null,"banned_at_utc":null,"url_overridden_by_dest":"https://www.reddit.com/gallery/1i7y1wa","view_count":null,"archived":false,"no_follow":false,"is_crosspostable":false,"pinned":false,"over_18":false,"all_awardings":[],"awarders":[],"media_only":false,"link_flair_template_id":"ab1fff82-6405-11e8-86f3-0e5f20cd29ce","can_gild":false,"spoiler":false,"locked":false,"author_flair_text":"<-----King of the North!","treatment_tags":[],"visited":false,"removed_by":null,"mod_note":null,"distinguished":null,"subreddit_id":"t5_2qp5l","author_is_blocked":false,"mod_reason_by":null,"num_reports":null,"removal_reason":null,"link_flair_background_color":"#bbbdbf","id":"1i7y1wa","is_robot_indexable":true,"report_reasons":null,"author":"FrodeKommode","discussion_type":null,"num_comments":16,"send_replies":true,"contest_mode":false,"mod_reports":[],"author_patreon_flair":false,"author_flair_text_color":"dark","permalink":"/r/exjw/comments/1i7y1wa/jwvsnorway_article_on_the_refused_experts/","stickied":false,"url":"https://www.reddit.com/gallery/1i7y1wa","subreddit_subscribers":119984,"created_utc":1737617034.0,"num_crossposts":0,"media":null,"is_video":false}
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{"approved_at_utc":null,"subreddit":"exjw","selftext":"So, we're getting closer to the real battle in the appeals court February 3rd-14th and some preliminary rulings are coming in.\n\nThis one really hurts for WT, and it gives me great satisfaction, the courts won't accept WT bs and foreign hired experts in court as evidence.\n\nOriginal ruling here, in Norwegian:  \n[https://drive.google.com/file/d/1DY-hVd04m0fJgGzin3q1BNvE8igd0gfY/view?usp=drive\\_link](https://drive.google.com/file/d/1DY-hVd04m0fJgGzin3q1BNvE8igd0gfY/view?usp=drive_link)\n\nChatgpt translation to English:  \n[https://drive.google.com/file/d/1DhzvNWQ8d66LuYq91R-4CxOJPSiLkYTo/view?usp=drive\\_link](https://drive.google.com/file/d/1DhzvNWQ8d66LuYq91R-4CxOJPSiLkYTo/view?usp=drive_link)\n\nThe report WT got made (irrelevant nonsense) that will not be accepted as evidence:  \n[https://drive.google.com/file/d/1m3XAQYiKBdOsaD90NF7pMR5jZeLtXmJB/view?usp=drive\\_link](https://drive.google.com/file/d/1m3XAQYiKBdOsaD90NF7pMR5jZeLtXmJB/view?usp=drive_link)\n\nNotice WT's whining about reliigious prosecution etc. It will be Popcorn-time those two weeks in February..\n\nMyself, I am set to testify on Monday 10th at 10:40, så keep me in your prayers or whatever works for you.  :-) ","author_fullname":"t2_13lcbzt","saved":false,"mod_reason_title":null,"gilded":0,"clicked":false,"title":"JWvsNorway - 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{"approved_at_utc":null,"subreddit":"exjw","selftext":"[https://www.vl.no/religion/2024/12/03/jehovas-vitner-hevder-de-har-myknet-opp-eksklusjonspraksis/](https://www.vl.no/religion/2024/12/03/jehovas-vitner-hevder-de-har-myknet-opp-eksklusjonspraksis/)\n\n# Jehovah's Witnesses claim they have softened exclusion practices\n\nRELIGION SOCIETY ACT: Jehovah's Witnesses have made changes to their exclusion practices, and believe they may be entitled to state subsidies again. But neither the state nor ex-members are convinced.\n\nRakel Lima Fjelltvedt is a former Jehovah's Witness. She was excluded from the religious community after she chose to withdraw from it. Today she has minimal contact with her family.\n\n[CHANGES: - For the majority of those who have been excluded, the changes will have very little or no practical significance, says Rakel Fjelltvedt, a former Jehovah's Witness. ](https://preview.redd.it/e80i8kgtwk4e1.png?width=980&format=png&auto=webp&s=09c1ef1ab85b81263d9d4f7f822c2fb79e42c03b)\n\nBy Caroline Teinum Gilje\n\nShe is a former Jehovah's Witness and was among the ex-Witnesses who spoke in Oslo District Court earlier this year about their experiences with the exclusion practice of Jehovah's Witnesses.\n\nThe backdrop for the trial is that the state has denied Jehovah's Witnesses state subsidies for the years 2021 to 2023, as well as registration as a religious community. As the state sees it, Jehovah's Witnesses' exclusion practice involves the exercise of negative social control of children in the religious community, and prevents the right to free withdrawal. This is in violation of the Religious Communities Act.\n\nJehovah's Witnesses disagree with this and have sued the state. Earlier this year, however, they lost the case in the district court, but appealed the verdict. The case will therefore be heard by the Court of Appeal in February next year.\n\nHowever, recently there have been changes in the religious community's practice. These may have implications for the entire basis of the case, believe Jehovah's Witnesses. This fall, they have therefore asked the Ministry of Children and Family Affairs to reconsider the decisions.\n\nBut they are not being supported by the ministry, writes Dagen, which first reported the case.\n\n**Can invite to a congregation meeting**\n\nVårt Land has seen the letter in which Jehovah's Witnesses ask the state to consider the decisions to deny grants and registration. Among other things, they point to the following changes in their religious practices:\n\nMembers of the congregation can now choose “whether to invite a person who has been disfellowshipped or has withdrawn from the congregation to a congregation meeting,” they write. “They may also choose to greet the person and welcome him or her to the meeting.”\n\nRegarding minors baptized, the following is stated:\n\n“If a baptized minor commits a serious sin, two elders will have a conversation with the minor and his Christian parents or guardians, to determine what the parents have already done to help their child make the necessary changes and repent,” they write.\n\n“If the minor has a fine attitude and the parents are able to reach him, the two elders may conclude that no further action is necessary in the matter. It is the parents who have the Scriptural responsibility to correct their children in a loving way. For this reason, it will be even rarer that a baptized minor who has committed a serious sin will be able to be removed from the congregation,” the letter states.\n\n**Believe the main features remain**\n\nBut the state is not convinced.\n\nOn the contrary, they believe that the content of the above-mentioned quotes “is suitable to confirm” that the state administrator and the ministry have based their decisions on a correct understanding of the exclusionary practices of Jehovah’s Witnesses.\n\n“The main features of the practice remain,” states the Ministry of Children and Family Affairs in its response letter, which is dated November 11.\n\nJehovah’s Witnesses have also sent the ministry a so-called expert opinion from Jean Zermatten, former head of the UN Children’s Committee. This believes that the religious community substantiates that \"the relevant religious practices of Jehovah's Witnesses are in accordance with, and protected by, the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child\".\n\nThe Ministry, for its part, believes that Zermatt's statement \"bears the mark that he places little emphasis on the significance of the psychological stress associated\" with the exclusionary practices of Jehovah's Witnesses.\n\n\"In our opinion, it is not very accurate to describe the consequences for a child of being excluded from Jehovah's Witnesses as 'less pleasant'\", they write.\n\n**- Very minor changes**\n\nFormer Jehovah's Witness Rakel Fjelltvedt has read the correspondence between the Ministry and Jehovah's Witnesses.\n\n\"Jehovah's Witnesses want to present this as significant changes, but as I see it, very minor changes have been made\", she says, and points out that the exclusionary practices remain with the new changes.\n\n\" It is only opened to invite excluded members to meetings. It is also worth noting that it is not about having a longer conversation with them there, but greeting them\", she says.\n\n[FORMER MEMBER: Ex-Witness Jan Frode Nilsen believes the changes in the exclusion practice of Jehovah's Witnesses are small. \\(Morten Marius Larsen\\)](https://preview.redd.it/2nj0thmmxk4e1.png?width=1440&format=png&auto=webp&s=89fc9ff1050bb47901c0a9ac8d190aefa00338f6)\n\nJan Frode Nilsen is also a former member of Jehovah's Witnesses. Like Fjelltvedt, he also believes that the changes in the practice are small.\n\nAs Nilsen understands it, Jehovah's Witnesses should now stop making judgmental decisions directly against children, which he thinks is positive.\n\n\"Now they should instead deal with their parents. It sounds like the least you would expect, but it wasn't like that before. 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But neither the state nor ex-members are convinced.</p>\n\n<p>Rakel Lima Fjelltvedt is a former Jehovah&#39;s Witness. She was excluded from the religious community after she chose to withdraw from it. Today she has minimal contact with her family.</p>\n\n<p><a href=\"https://preview.redd.it/e80i8kgtwk4e1.png?width=980&amp;format=png&amp;auto=webp&amp;s=09c1ef1ab85b81263d9d4f7f822c2fb79e42c03b\">CHANGES: - For the majority of those who have been excluded, the changes will have very little or no practical significance, says Rakel Fjelltvedt, a former Jehovah&#39;s Witness. </a></p>\n\n<p>By Caroline Teinum Gilje</p>\n\n<p>She is a former Jehovah&#39;s Witness and was among the ex-Witnesses who spoke in Oslo District Court earlier this year about their experiences with the exclusion practice of Jehovah&#39;s Witnesses.</p>\n\n<p>The backdrop for the trial is that the state has denied Jehovah&#39;s Witnesses state subsidies for the years 2021 to 2023, as well as registration as a religious community. 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This fall, they have therefore asked the Ministry of Children and Family Affairs to reconsider the decisions.</p>\n\n<p>But they are not being supported by the ministry, writes Dagen, which first reported the case.</p>\n\n<p><strong>Can invite to a congregation meeting</strong></p>\n\n<p>Vårt Land has seen the letter in which Jehovah&#39;s Witnesses ask the state to consider the decisions to deny grants and registration. 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For this reason, it will be even rarer that a baptized minor who has committed a serious sin will be able to be removed from the congregation,” the letter states.</p>\n\n<p><strong>Believe the main features remain</strong></p>\n\n<p>But the state is not convinced.</p>\n\n<p>On the contrary, they believe that the content of the above-mentioned quotes “is suitable to confirm” that the state administrator and the ministry have based their decisions on a correct understanding of the exclusionary practices of Jehovah’s Witnesses.</p>\n\n<p>“The main features of the practice remain,” states the Ministry of Children and Family Affairs in its response letter, which is dated November 11.</p>\n\n<p>Jehovah’s Witnesses have also sent the ministry a so-called expert opinion from Jean Zermatten, former head of the UN Children’s Committee. 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Thanks for helping, if anyone can. </p>\n\n<p>Spoiler alert : you&#39;ll enjoy this glorious response.</p>\n\n<p>Edit: English translated version here!</p>\n\n<p><a href=\"https://files.accessjw.org/s/sDzfgCGk4Bi48JB\">https://files.accessjw.org/s/sDzfgCGk4Bi48JB</a></p>\n\n<p>Be aware that this does not affect the upcoming court case in February, that one is still scheduled as it is. This letter writing was WT trying to avoid this court case by trying to get through the bureaucracy instead.</p>\n\n<p>Every other country should take notes and learn, though. This is how to deal with WT and their double talk spinning. It&#39;s not that hard, tbh. 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Correct link now \n\nChatGPT translation to English:\n\n  \n**October 24, 2024**\n\n**MINISTRY OF CHILDREN AND FAMILY AFFAIRS**  \nPO Box 8036 DEP  \n0030 OSLO  \n[postmottak@bfd.dep.no]()\n\n**Decisions on Denial of State Subsidies and Loss of Registrations for Jehovah's Witnesses: Adjustments in Jehovah's Witnesses’ Religious Practice Regarding Limited Contact with a Person Removed from the Congregation**\n\nWe are writing to you concerning the ongoing legal case that will be heard by the Borgarting Court of Appeal in February 2024 regarding the validity of administrative decisions based on Jehovah's Witnesses' religious teaching about limiting contact with a person who has been removed from the congregation or who has voluntarily withdrawn. We would like to inform you about a recent, worldwide adjustment in our religious practice in this area.\n\nThe doctrinal adjustment was published worldwide in the study edition of *The Watchtower* from August 2024.\n\nThe main adjustments can be summarized as follows:\n\n* **Removal from the congregation remains a last resort.** Before considering whether someone should be removed from the congregation, the elders will hold several meetings with the person who has committed a serious sin, in an effort to help him or her restore their relationship with God.\n* When informing an unrepentant sinner that they will be removed from the congregation, the elders will explain that they would like to meet with them again in a few months. If the person is willing to have a new meeting, the elders will warmly encourage them to repent and return. Even if the person has not changed their attitude at that time, the elders will contact them periodically in the future.\n* If a baptized minor commits a serious sin, two elders will have a discussion with the minor and his or her Christian parents or guardians to understand what the parents have already done to help the child make the necessary changes and repent. If the minor has a positive attitude and the parents manage to reach him or her, the two elders may decide that no further action is necessary. It is the parents who have a biblical responsibility to lovingly correct their children. Consequently, it will be even rarer for a baptized minor who has committed a serious sin to be removed from the congregation.\n\nWe would like to emphasize that in the very rare case where a baptized minor would be removed from the congregation, family life and household interactions will continue. Because the parents have a biblical and moral obligation to care for their minor children, they will continue to be responsible for providing for their physical and emotional needs.\n\n* Congregation members may choose to invite a person who has been removed from the congregation or has withdrawn to a congregation meeting. They may also choose to greet the person and welcome them to the meeting. If the person expresses a desire to return to the congregation, the elders may also arrange for someone in the congregation to study the Bible with them, even if they have not yet been reinstated. A person removed from the congregation or who has chosen to withdraw may be reinstated within a few months if they demonstrate genuine repentance.\n\nWe wish to remind you that Jehovah's Witnesses believe in the Bible’s guidance that believers should limit contact with someone who has been removed from the congregation or has withdrawn (see, for example, 1 Corinthians 5:11-13). The exact extent of this limited contact will depend on each individual’s personal circumstances and conscience. Regardless of circumstances, Jehovah’s Witnesses believe the Bible encourages us to show love and respect for all people, including those who previously shared our faith. Within the same household, there is no change in social contact. Marriage and family life will continue as before.\n\nBased on the above, we hereby request that you reconsider your decision of September 30, 2022, in the appeal case regarding the denial of state subsidies for 2022, as well as the decisions of the County Governor on January 27, 2022, December 22, 2022, November 7, 2023, and June 18, 2024, regarding Jehovah's Witnesses' right to state subsidies and registration as a religious community under the Religious Communities Act. In this regard, we refer to the Public Administration Act § 35, second paragraph, cf. the first paragraph, concerning the alteration of an appeal decision.\n\nWe would like to request feedback on this letter and the above request without undue delay, in accordance with § 11a of the Public Administration Act. If possible, we kindly request a response within three weeks from the date of this letter, by November 14, 2024. If you have any questions regarding the information in this letter or our religious practices, please feel free to contact us.\n\nSincerely,\n\nJørgen Pedersen  \nChairman","author_fullname":"t2_13lcbzt","saved":false,"mod_reason_title":null,"gilded":0,"clicked":false,"title":"WT vs Norway - WT sends letter to the goverment saying they have now changed their practice on DF. 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Correct link now </p>\n\n<p>ChatGPT translation to English:</p>\n\n<p><strong>October 24, 2024</strong></p>\n\n<p><strong>MINISTRY OF CHILDREN AND FAMILY AFFAIRS</strong><br/>\nPO Box 8036 DEP<br/>\n0030 OSLO<br/>\n[<a href=\"mailto:postmottak@bfd.dep.no\">postmottak@bfd.dep.no</a>]()</p>\n\n<p><strong>Decisions on Denial of State Subsidies and Loss of Registrations for Jehovah&#39;s Witnesses: Adjustments in Jehovah&#39;s Witnesses’ Religious Practice Regarding Limited Contact with a Person Removed from the Congregation</strong></p>\n\n<p>We are writing to you concerning the ongoing legal case that will be heard by the Borgarting Court of Appeal in February 2024 regarding the validity of administrative decisions based on Jehovah&#39;s Witnesses&#39; religious teaching about limiting contact with a person who has been removed from the congregation or who has voluntarily withdrawn. We would like to inform you about a recent, worldwide adjustment in our religious practice in this area.</p>\n\n<p>The doctrinal adjustment was published worldwide in the study edition of <em>The Watchtower</em> from August 2024.</p>\n\n<p>The main adjustments can be summarized as follows:</p>\n\n<ul>\n<li><strong>Removal from the congregation remains a last resort.</strong> Before considering whether someone should be removed from the congregation, the elders will hold several meetings with the person who has committed a serious sin, in an effort to help him or her restore their relationship with God.</li>\n<li>When informing an unrepentant sinner that they will be removed from the congregation, the elders will explain that they would like to meet with them again in a few months. If the person is willing to have a new meeting, the elders will warmly encourage them to repent and return. Even if the person has not changed their attitude at that time, the elders will contact them periodically in the future.</li>\n<li>If a baptized minor commits a serious sin, two elders will have a discussion with the minor and his or her Christian parents or guardians to understand what the parents have already done to help the child make the necessary changes and repent. If the minor has a positive attitude and the parents manage to reach him or her, the two elders may decide that no further action is necessary. It is the parents who have a biblical responsibility to lovingly correct their children. Consequently, it will be even rarer for a baptized minor who has committed a serious sin to be removed from the congregation.</li>\n</ul>\n\n<p>We would like to emphasize that in the very rare case where a baptized minor would be removed from the congregation, family life and household interactions will continue. Because the parents have a biblical and moral obligation to care for their minor children, they will continue to be responsible for providing for their physical and emotional needs.</p>\n\n<ul>\n<li>Congregation members may choose to invite a person who has been removed from the congregation or has withdrawn to a congregation meeting. They may also choose to greet the person and welcome them to the meeting. If the person expresses a desire to return to the congregation, the elders may also arrange for someone in the congregation to study the Bible with them, even if they have not yet been reinstated. A person removed from the congregation or who has chosen to withdraw may be reinstated within a few months if they demonstrate genuine repentance.</li>\n</ul>\n\n<p>We wish to remind you that Jehovah&#39;s Witnesses believe in the Bible’s guidance that believers should limit contact with someone who has been removed from the congregation or has withdrawn (see, for example, 1 Corinthians 5:11-13). The exact extent of this limited contact will depend on each individual’s personal circumstances and conscience. Regardless of circumstances, Jehovah’s Witnesses believe the Bible encourages us to show love and respect for all people, including those who previously shared our faith. Within the same household, there is no change in social contact. Marriage and family life will continue as before.</p>\n\n<p>Based on the above, we hereby request that you reconsider your decision of September 30, 2022, in the appeal case regarding the denial of state subsidies for 2022, as well as the decisions of the County Governor on January 27, 2022, December 22, 2022, November 7, 2023, and June 18, 2024, regarding Jehovah&#39;s Witnesses&#39; right to state subsidies and registration as a religious community under the Religious Communities Act. In this regard, we refer to the Public Administration Act § 35, second paragraph, cf. the first paragraph, concerning the alteration of an appeal decision.</p>\n\n<p>We would like to request feedback on this letter and the above request without undue delay, in accordance with § 11a of the Public Administration Act. If possible, we kindly request a response within three weeks from the date of this letter, by November 14, 2024. 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There has been an extreme amount of emotion connected to the case for those of us involved in it, says an emotional Jan Frode Nilsen to Vårt Land.\n\nThe ex-witness says that he is not surprised\n\nIt is as expected. This stands firm, legally speaking, and has been solid all along.\n\nHe believes there was very little to indicate that Jehovah's Witnesses should have won the trial.\n\nIn that case, the court would have to disregard all literature from the religious community. But that will be disregarding the evidence. So I had no doubt that this was an obvious case.\n\nNilsen is relieved by the recent news, and says that he will take some time to let the joy and relief sink in.\n\nBeing believed in by the judges, in the same way as we were believed in by the ministries and the state administrator, is very important.\n\nNilsen says that it has been tough to appear in court.\n\nThat we are now believed, and that we don't have to wait until the autumn and the appeal case to be believed, is a great relief.\n\nNo free cancellation\n\nIn court, the state has claimed that the practice of Jehovah's Witnesses prevents free expression. They have argued that members who opt out are no longer allowed to have contact with family and friends in the congregation.\n\nThus, they may feel pressured to remain in the religious community.\n\n[https://www.vl.no/religion/2024/03/04/dette-er-dommen-i-jehovas-vitner-saken/](https://www.vl.no/religion/2024/03/04/dette-er-dommen-i-jehovas-vitner-saken/)","author_fullname":"t2_13lcbzt","saved":false,"mod_reason_title":null,"gilded":0,"clicked":false,"title":"Full victory! 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He is relieved to be believed by the district court.</p>\n\n<p>RELIEF: Ex-member Jan Frode Nilsen is relieved that the state has been acquitted in the Jehovah&#39;s Witnesses case. (Photo: Morten Marius Larsen)</p>\n\n<p>By Ingvild Sandnes Kessel, Journalist and Tove Bø, Chief of Staff</p>\n\n<p>Published: 04/03/2024 17:09</p>\n\n<p>Last updated: 04/03/2024 17:22</p>\n\n<p>The state is acquitted by the Oslo District Court in the Jehovah&#39;s Witnesses case. It became known on Monday afternoon</p>\n\n<p>For us, this is an incredibly big relief. There has been an extreme amount of emotion connected to the case for those of us involved in it, says an emotional Jan Frode Nilsen to Vårt Land.</p>\n\n<p>The ex-witness says that he is not surprised</p>\n\n<p>It is as expected. This stands firm, legally speaking, and has been solid all along.</p>\n\n<p>He believes there was very little to indicate that Jehovah&#39;s Witnesses should have won the trial.</p>\n\n<p>In that case, the court would have to disregard all literature from the religious community. But that will be disregarding the evidence. So I had no doubt that this was an obvious case.</p>\n\n<p>Nilsen is relieved by the recent news, and says that he will take some time to let the joy and relief sink in.</p>\n\n<p>Being believed in by the judges, in the same way as we were believed in by the ministries and the state administrator, is very important.</p>\n\n<p>Nilsen says that it has been tough to appear in court.</p>\n\n<p>That we are now believed, and that we don&#39;t have to wait until the autumn and the appeal case to be believed, is a great relief.</p>\n\n<p>No free cancellation</p>\n\n<p>In court, the state has claimed that the practice of Jehovah&#39;s Witnesses prevents free expression. 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He was moved by the testimonials of Noomi Ester Pilot, Rolf Furuli and Rakel Lima Fjelltvedt \\(in the column on the left\\)\\) ](https://preview.redd.it/5j08mbmoqbhc1.png?width=980&format=png&auto=webp&s=e434cb04627b947d2322d80c3d989edb4b5acbaa)\n\n While we await the verdict   \n\n\nJEHOVAH'S WITNESSES: What kind of society should Norway be? Should we protect the weak, those who are affected when freedom of thought and belief is harshly punished, or should we continue to give our tax money because it is done in the name of religion?   \n\n\n It has now been two weeks since a group of traumatized people gathered in Oslo District Court to testify against their former religion . What I think about most is the meeting with those I witnessed with. The strength when they talked about their darkest experiences, the choices they had to make. The price they had to pay.    \n\n\n**The witnesses**   \n\n\nNoomi told about how, as a 17-year-old, she had to go through the humiliating process of repeated judicial selections only to be excluded right after turning 18. All alone in a foreign country, in a foreign city without family, friends, education, work and money . Noomi told about violence, complex PTSD, loneliness and fear, but also a story about getting up, creating a new life for herself.    \n\n\nI met Rolf Furuli, who has lived his whole life as a happy Jehovah's Witness, but in his older days saw that the religion he loved changed beyond recognition. Rolf was the one who chose to raise his voice . In the world of Jehovah's Witnesses, this is unforgivable, all his lifelong friends disappeared. I met a brave man who stepped in and told his story, with all the knowledge he has from a life in the innermost circles at the top level.    \n\n\nWhile I myself was sitting in the corridor outside Sal 127 and waiting for my turn, another witness was doing her part. The door opened and the young woman came out crying, loud and heartbreaking. She had twisted her soul, told her story with her head held high, a price for her freedom of thought that most people in Norway do not have to think about. Having to go straight in even afterwards was tough.    \n\n\nI think a lot about Rakel . A woman full of anxiety and trauma beforehand, who traveled into Oslo alone. Afraid of not being able to cope with the pressure. But who grew in the moment, stepped in with a clear voice and told her whole harrowing story. She, too, with two full rows of acquaintances from her time in Jehovah's Witnesses placed a few decimetres behind her back. She marked her religious freedom by wearing a cross hanging from her ear.   \n\n\nI spoke to Rakel afterwards, she mentioned that if a mosque had given apostates 50 lashes if they left the religion, society would automatically react and prosecute. \"I would have gladly taken those whippings if I could have my family back!\", she replied. \"Easy!\"   \n\n\n  \n\n\nhttps://preview.redd.it/9u6u7yjgrbhc1.png?width=720&format=png&auto=webp&s=bf30ab4cb695e1de6a0cc5b8d8ab8a610acb9146\n\n **The denial**   \n\n\nFortunately, we rarely experience such drama in Norway, but in January 2024 it happened in Oslo Courthouse. It was hard for all of us, including me. We don't do it because we hate Jehovah's Witnesses. We do it because we've seen the damaging effects, we've all met people with big wounds from the process, people who don't get back on their feet the way we do. But it costs. A lot. And we stand there mostly alone.    \n\n\nI think a lot about the denial Jehovah's Witnesses base their defense on. Standing up for what we believed in, was part of our upbringing. We were bullied. But we stood for our identity, the practice.   \nWe went around the neighborhood and knocked on doors, even if it cost money. We had to stand for what we were. We were Jehovah's Witnesses. We had the truth.  \n\n\nhttps://preview.redd.it/p9cqi6rrrbhc1.png?width=711&format=png&auto=webp&s=db94f48fe98d74a5132595f2cd5e2f785c8ab160\n\n  \nBut the leadership does the opposite. In court, they demanded that the Watchtower's literature be disregarded. Based on this premise, they say that there are no instructions from the leadership of Jehovah's Witnesses. Although their website is full of evidence for our claim, the court is asked to completely disregard this.   \n\n\nA leadership that can publish the sentence \" We must all be ready to follow the instructions we may receive, whether these seem sensible from a strategic or human point of view, or not\" , presents itself in court as a group of individualists who do just as they themselves want.    \n\n\n**Resource use**   \n\n\nThe use of resources Jehovah's Witnesses can trigger in such a case is striking. On their bench sat three lawyers from Glittertind, plus a Jehovah's Witness lawyer. Ryssdal invoiced NOK 6,100+VAT ($576+ USD) per hour for its services. Spend a total of NOK 4.5 million ($425,300 USD) on this stage in the district court. There were visiting representatives from the \"European Association of Jehovah's witnesses for religious freedom\", one of whom got to deliver a long monologue to the judge at the end. The front rows of the courtroom were filled every morning by prominent Jehovah's Witnesses who wanted to own the room. Where we outcasts manage completely without public funds, based only on the desire to have our story told, we meet an organization that unleashes a flood of unlimited resources against us.   \n\n\nNevertheless, it is Jehovah's Witnesses who present themselves as an oppressed minority?   \n\n\n **The verdict**   \n\n\nSo now we sit and wait for the judgment from the district court. Whether one is religious or not, we must all be judged at some point for our choices, the lives we lived here on earth. The person we were. The unconditional love for our children. The work we did to give them a safe and good platform in life. The fight for truth and justice.    \n\n\nWho are we as humans? Do we stand up for what is right, for love, humanity, taking care of the weak in life crises? 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Should we protect the weak, those who are affected when freedom of thought and belief is harshly punished, or should we continue to give our tax money because it is done in the name of religion?   </p>\n\n<p>It has now been two weeks since a group of traumatized people gathered in Oslo District Court to testify against their former religion . What I think about most is the meeting with those I witnessed with. The strength when they talked about their darkest experiences, the choices they had to make. The price they had to pay.    </p>\n\n<p><strong>The witnesses</strong>   </p>\n\n<p>Noomi told about how, as a 17-year-old, she had to go through the humiliating process of repeated judicial selections only to be excluded right after turning 18. All alone in a foreign country, in a foreign city without family, friends, education, work and money . 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Having to go straight in even afterwards was tough.    </p>\n\n<p>I think a lot about Rakel . A woman full of anxiety and trauma beforehand, who traveled into Oslo alone. Afraid of not being able to cope with the pressure. But who grew in the moment, stepped in with a clear voice and told her whole harrowing story. She, too, with two full rows of acquaintances from her time in Jehovah&#39;s Witnesses placed a few decimetres behind her back. She marked her religious freedom by wearing a cross hanging from her ear.   </p>\n\n<p>I spoke to Rakel afterwards, she mentioned that if a mosque had given apostates 50 lashes if they left the religion, society would automatically react and prosecute. &quot;I would have gladly taken those whippings if I could have my family back!&quot;, she replied. &quot;Easy!&quot;   </p>\n\n<p><a href=\"https://preview.redd.it/9u6u7yjgrbhc1.png?width=720&amp;format=png&amp;auto=webp&amp;s=bf30ab4cb695e1de6a0cc5b8d8ab8a610acb9146\">https://preview.redd.it/9u6u7yjgrbhc1.png?width=720&amp;format=png&amp;auto=webp&amp;s=bf30ab4cb695e1de6a0cc5b8d8ab8a610acb9146</a></p>\n\n<p><strong>The denial</strong>   </p>\n\n<p>Fortunately, we rarely experience such drama in Norway, but in January 2024 it happened in Oslo Courthouse. It was hard for all of us, including me. We don&#39;t do it because we hate Jehovah&#39;s Witnesses. 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In court, they demanded that the Watchtower&#39;s literature be disregarded. Based on this premise, they say that there are no instructions from the leadership of Jehovah&#39;s Witnesses. Although their website is full of evidence for our claim, the court is asked to completely disregard this.   </p>\n\n<p>A leadership that can publish the sentence &quot; We must all be ready to follow the instructions we may receive, whether these seem sensible from a strategic or human point of view, or not&quot; , presents itself in court as a group of individualists who do just as they themselves want.    </p>\n\n<p><strong>Resource use</strong>   </p>\n\n<p>The use of resources Jehovah&#39;s Witnesses can trigger in such a case is striking. On their bench sat three lawyers from Glittertind, plus a Jehovah&#39;s Witness lawyer. Ryssdal invoiced NOK 6,100+VAT ($576+ USD) per hour for its services. Spend a total of NOK 4.5 million ($425,300 USD) on this stage in the district court. 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The fight for truth and justice.    </p>\n\n<p>Who are we as humans? Do we stand up for what is right, for love, humanity, taking care of the weak in life crises? Do we want to take care of our children, even if they don&#39;t follow the religion and the requirements we set for them, the frameworks we set around them?   </p>\n\n<p>Or do we make strict rules, a fundamentalist interpretation of the Bible? Cut out deviants from our life? Let children take the consequences out there, all by themselves, in the middle of thier life crisis? Without their family, because God apparently requires this of us in some Bible verse?    </p>\n\n<p>Are you a person who wants to cut off contact with those closest to you, your own children, because they do not live up to your demands? Who made you believe that God wants this?   </p>\n\n<p>What did Jesus say about religious leaders who trampled the weak? Who quoted a verse from the law and thus claimed immunity from basic humanity and love? 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{"approved_at_utc":null,"subreddit":"exjw","selftext":"[https://www.vl.no/meninger/verdidebatt/2024/01/08/friheten-til-a-forlate-menigheten/](https://www.vl.no/meninger/verdidebatt/2024/01/08/friheten-til-a-forlate-menigheten/)  \n\n\nTranslation below, but please press link so it gets click.  \nI repeat, do not read below if you haven't clicked on the case, or I will disfellowship you.  \n\n**The freedom to leave a religion**\n\nI read with great interest Kim Hein Pedersen's defense of the Jehovah's Witnesses' exclusion system, and his personal experience of how this enabled him to get his life in order, and praise him for participating in the public exchange of words around the topic.\n\n&#x200B;\n\nOn the other hand, the whole premise of his post is built on a wrong foundation. He writes that \"The State Administrator in Oslo and Viken withdraws the Jehovah's Witnesses' registration as a religious community because they believe that the Jehovah's Witnesses' exclusion practice is against the law\", and then links it to his own history where he was excluded for adultery.\n\n&#x200B;\n\nThis is demonstrably a misinterpretation of the state's decision. The decision is not based on the exclusion scheme itself, as Pedersen describes his story.\n\n&#x200B;\n\nHe and I can well discuss the morality of the scheme, the biblical interpretations that have built up the practice, or the psychological aspects surrounding social and familial isolation of people in life crises, but that is not what the State has done. They mean nothing about this. Does not get involved in the practice that led to Pedersen being excluded at the time. His story is completely irrelevant.\n\n&#x200B;\n\nThe state has concluded based on two points, neither of which is linked to Pedersen's experience:\n\n&#x200B;\n\nPoint 1 – Exclusion and social ostracism of people who themselves want to leave Jehovah's Witnesses\n\nJehovah's Witnesses have a practice where you cannot change your outlook on life, change your religion and move to another organization without major consequences for the lives of individuals. I have experienced this myself, it took me about five years from the time I last participated in the Jehovah's Witnesses community until I was finally expelled. During these years I generated state support for a denomination I did not belong to. Because the price you pay when you leave it is too great. There are many people like me.\n\n&#x200B;\n\nThe whole reference to \"sin\" and that this punishment should make us \"follow the principles of the Bible\" is nonsense. There are many of us who, knowingly and willingly, with a completely conscious choice based on thorough research, for many different reasons, want to leave Jehovah's Witnesses. For people like us, the loss of contact with family will not make us come back, as Pedersen claims. Rather, it acts as the opposite, a confirmation that something was seriously wrong in there. At the same time, it is an obstacle to free notification, as the State Administrator quite rightly points out.\n\n&#x200B;\n\nYou are not free to opt out if opting out has major consequences for completely elementary contact with your immediate family. Their own parents, their siblings, their children. Then for the vast majority it is a forced situation.\n\n&#x200B;\n\nThe government attorney's claim is that, with this practice, Jehovah's Witnesses violates Section 2 of the Religious Communities Act, and infringes the individual member's right to freely change their faith or outlook according to Article 9 of the ECHR, Section 16 of the Constitution and Article 18 of the Declaration of Human Rights.\n\n&#x200B;\n\nJehovah's Witnesses thus violate fundamental human rights, and are therefore affected by Section 6 of the new law, precisely as the legislative assembly wanted.\n\n&#x200B;\n\nPoint 2 - The fact that the exclusion practice does not have a lower age limit violates children's rights\n\n&#x200B;\n\nJehovah's Witnesses' practice of exclusion, social ostracism and public punishment, in that the congregation is informed of the names of minors, violates, according to the Government Advocate, article 19 of the Convention on the Rights of the Child, and also section 6 of the Religious Communities Act. Social isolation is expressly mentioned as an example of psychological violence against which children must be protected. The fact that Pedersen himself believes that he was mature when he was baptized as a 14-year-old does not change the law. 14-year-olds are children, and must be treated accordingly. It is also a fundamental right for a child to be able to change their outlook on life and their opinions as they acquire knowledge and experiences. But in the world of Jehovah's Witnesses, a baptism of a 14-year-old is a lifelong commitment that the child will never be able to walk away from without major consequences for close relationships and family.\n\n&#x200B;\n\nIt is tempting to take the opportunity to quote what Jehovah's Witnesses themselves published in their magazine Awake! From July 2009, in the article \"Is it wrong to change religion?\"\n\n[https://wol.jw.org/no/wol/d/r3/lp-n/102009251](https://wol.jw.org/no/wol/d/r3/lp-n/102009251)\n\n\"No one should be forced to worship in a way that he or she finds unacceptable, or to have to choose between their faith and their relationship with their family.\"\n\n&#x200B;\n\nJehovah's witnesses themselves know this, they recognize this basic human right, being able to change religion, follow their conscience and make the life choices they themselves feel are right, without having to choose between it and contact with their family.\n\n&#x200B;\n\nCould that be true? They do the opposite. Locking us in with the message that if we choose to leave the organization, we must face the consequences, namely loss of family ties. Why then did they write this?\n\nYes, because the context of the article is about the opposite. It is about changing religion TO Jehovah's Witnesses. In such a context, the idea is that no one should be punished for changing religion. Jehovah's Witnesses work actively, worldwide, to get other people to change their religion. But they do not allow their children to do the same thing, the opposite way without cutting off contact with them.\n\nHypocrisy? That is up to the readers to decide.\n\nI look forward to testifying again for the state, on behalf of myself and the many I have met on my way, people with great wounds and full of need, on Friday January 13 and feel confident that this is a decision that stands rock solid legally.\n\nWhy someone needs such threat scenarios and punishment to find their God, as Kim Hein Pedersen says he did, that's something we can  discuss  further elsewhere.","author_fullname":"t2_13lcbzt","saved":false,"mod_reason_title":null,"gilded":0,"clicked":false,"title":"My written opinion published as the trial JW vs Norway starts today","link_flair_richtext":[{"e":"text","t":"Activism"}],"subreddit_name_prefixed":"r/exjw","hidden":false,"pwls":7,"link_flair_css_class":"activism","downs":0,"thumbnail_height":null,"top_awarded_type":null,"hide_score":false,"name":"t3_191ll5n","quarantine":false,"link_flair_text_color":"dark","upvote_ratio":0.99,"author_flair_background_color":null,"subreddit_type":"public","ups":159,"total_awards_received":0,"media_embed":{},"thumbnail_width":null,"author_flair_template_id":"9d802a98-b766-11e6-a40a-0e1cfceb9f30","is_original_content":false,"user_reports":[],"secure_media":null,"is_reddit_media_domain":false,"is_meta":false,"category":null,"secure_media_embed":{},"link_flair_text":"Activism","can_mod_post":false,"score":159,"approved_by":null,"is_created_from_ads_ui":false,"author_premium":false,"thumbnail":"self","edited":1704733222.0,"author_flair_css_class":null,"author_flair_richtext":[{"e":"text","t":"<-----King of the North!"}],"gildings":{},"post_hint":"self","content_categories":null,"is_self":true,"mod_note":null,"created":1704721629.0,"link_flair_type":"richtext","wls":7,"removed_by_category":null,"banned_by":null,"author_flair_type":"richtext","domain":"self.exjw","allow_live_comments":false,"selftext_html":"<!-- SC_OFF --><div class=\"md\"><p><a href=\"https://www.vl.no/meninger/verdidebatt/2024/01/08/friheten-til-a-forlate-menigheten/\">https://www.vl.no/meninger/verdidebatt/2024/01/08/friheten-til-a-forlate-menigheten/</a>  </p>\n\n<p>Translation below, but please press link so it gets click.<br/>\nI repeat, do not read below if you haven&#39;t clicked on the case, or I will disfellowship you.  </p>\n\n<p><strong>The freedom to leave a religion</strong></p>\n\n<p>I read with great interest Kim Hein Pedersen&#39;s defense of the Jehovah&#39;s Witnesses&#39; exclusion system, and his personal experience of how this enabled him to get his life in order, and praise him for participating in the public exchange of words around the topic.</p>\n\n<p>&#x200B;</p>\n\n<p>On the other hand, the whole premise of his post is built on a wrong foundation. He writes that &quot;The State Administrator in Oslo and Viken withdraws the Jehovah&#39;s Witnesses&#39; registration as a religious community because they believe that the Jehovah&#39;s Witnesses&#39; exclusion practice is against the law&quot;, and then links it to his own history where he was excluded for adultery.</p>\n\n<p>&#x200B;</p>\n\n<p>This is demonstrably a misinterpretation of the state&#39;s decision. The decision is not based on the exclusion scheme itself, as Pedersen describes his story.</p>\n\n<p>&#x200B;</p>\n\n<p>He and I can well discuss the morality of the scheme, the biblical interpretations that have built up the practice, or the psychological aspects surrounding social and familial isolation of people in life crises, but that is not what the State has done. They mean nothing about this. Does not get involved in the practice that led to Pedersen being excluded at the time. His story is completely irrelevant.</p>\n\n<p>&#x200B;</p>\n\n<p>The state has concluded based on two points, neither of which is linked to Pedersen&#39;s experience:</p>\n\n<p>&#x200B;</p>\n\n<p>Point 1 – Exclusion and social ostracism of people who themselves want to leave Jehovah&#39;s Witnesses</p>\n\n<p>Jehovah&#39;s Witnesses have a practice where you cannot change your outlook on life, change your religion and move to another organization without major consequences for the lives of individuals. I have experienced this myself, it took me about five years from the time I last participated in the Jehovah&#39;s Witnesses community until I was finally expelled. During these years I generated state support for a denomination I did not belong to. Because the price you pay when you leave it is too great. There are many people like me.</p>\n\n<p>&#x200B;</p>\n\n<p>The whole reference to &quot;sin&quot; and that this punishment should make us &quot;follow the principles of the Bible&quot; is nonsense. There are many of us who, knowingly and willingly, with a completely conscious choice based on thorough research, for many different reasons, want to leave Jehovah&#39;s Witnesses. For people like us, the loss of contact with family will not make us come back, as Pedersen claims. Rather, it acts as the opposite, a confirmation that something was seriously wrong in there. At the same time, it is an obstacle to free notification, as the State Administrator quite rightly points out.</p>\n\n<p>&#x200B;</p>\n\n<p>You are not free to opt out if opting out has major consequences for completely elementary contact with your immediate family. Their own parents, their siblings, their children. Then for the vast majority it is a forced situation.</p>\n\n<p>&#x200B;</p>\n\n<p>The government attorney&#39;s claim is that, with this practice, Jehovah&#39;s Witnesses violates Section 2 of the Religious Communities Act, and infringes the individual member&#39;s right to freely change their faith or outlook according to Article 9 of the ECHR, Section 16 of the Constitution and Article 18 of the Declaration of Human Rights.</p>\n\n<p>&#x200B;</p>\n\n<p>Jehovah&#39;s Witnesses thus violate fundamental human rights, and are therefore affected by Section 6 of the new law, precisely as the legislative assembly wanted.</p>\n\n<p>&#x200B;</p>\n\n<p>Point 2 - The fact that the exclusion practice does not have a lower age limit violates children&#39;s rights</p>\n\n<p>&#x200B;</p>\n\n<p>Jehovah&#39;s Witnesses&#39; practice of exclusion, social ostracism and public punishment, in that the congregation is informed of the names of minors, violates, according to the Government Advocate, article 19 of the Convention on the Rights of the Child, and also section 6 of the Religious Communities Act. Social isolation is expressly mentioned as an example of psychological violence against which children must be protected. The fact that Pedersen himself believes that he was mature when he was baptized as a 14-year-old does not change the law. 14-year-olds are children, and must be treated accordingly. It is also a fundamental right for a child to be able to change their outlook on life and their opinions as they acquire knowledge and experiences. But in the world of Jehovah&#39;s Witnesses, a baptism of a 14-year-old is a lifelong commitment that the child will never be able to walk away from without major consequences for close relationships and family.</p>\n\n<p>&#x200B;</p>\n\n<p>It is tempting to take the opportunity to quote what Jehovah&#39;s Witnesses themselves published in their magazine Awake! From July 2009, in the article &quot;Is it wrong to change religion?&quot;</p>\n\n<p><a href=\"https://wol.jw.org/no/wol/d/r3/lp-n/102009251\">https://wol.jw.org/no/wol/d/r3/lp-n/102009251</a></p>\n\n<p>&quot;No one should be forced to worship in a way that he or she finds unacceptable, or to have to choose between their faith and their relationship with their family.&quot;</p>\n\n<p>&#x200B;</p>\n\n<p>Jehovah&#39;s witnesses themselves know this, they recognize this basic human right, being able to change religion, follow their conscience and make the life choices they themselves feel are right, without having to choose between it and contact with their family.</p>\n\n<p>&#x200B;</p>\n\n<p>Could that be true? They do the opposite. Locking us in with the message that if we choose to leave the organization, we must face the consequences, namely loss of family ties. Why then did they write this?</p>\n\n<p>Yes, because the context of the article is about the opposite. It is about changing religion TO Jehovah&#39;s Witnesses. In such a context, the idea is that no one should be punished for changing religion. Jehovah&#39;s Witnesses work actively, worldwide, to get other people to change their religion. But they do not allow their children to do the same thing, the opposite way without cutting off contact with them.</p>\n\n<p>Hypocrisy? 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{"approved_at_utc":null,"subreddit":"exjw","selftext":"Google translate of the filings before the trial can be read and downloaded here:[https://drive.google.com/file/d/1v03EaoPGQMGKfC0YcV9rXl2TiswIeGNo/view?usp=drivesdk](https://drive.google.com/file/d/1v03EaoPGQMGKfC0YcV9rXl2TiswIeGNo/view?usp=drivesdk&fbclid=IwAR1NARr4NAdrz4LCuPOrKm84WASeYACqAKlim3NoiGkVRbA4DHjlps1aAWk)\n\nPage 6 and 7 in the document shows the list of witnesses on behalf of the State.\n\nI'm going in as witness Friday at 13:55, I won't be allowed to post anything from the trial before that. Might be updates available from other accounts, though.\n\nAnyway! Wish us all good luck.\n\nPodcast conversation here:  [https://pod.link/1540824671/episode/b48df3af4a5c2efe58e69e9d0f5b6d66](https://pod.link/1540824671/episode/b48df3af4a5c2efe58e69e9d0f5b6d66?fbclid=IwAR0aiypCmBtQ57ur51yBZQTotdtoIgd7_IKEz-w-99fmI9IvqES5et9cP8o)","author_fullname":"t2_13lcbzt","saved":false,"mod_reason_title":null,"gilded":0,"clicked":false,"title":"NORWAY vs JW - main trial starts monday - written arguments, schedule and witness list available","link_flair_richtext":[{"e":"text","t":"Activism"}],"subreddit_name_prefixed":"r/exjw","hidden":false,"pwls":7,"link_flair_css_class":"activism","downs":0,"thumbnail_height":null,"top_awarded_type":null,"hide_score":false,"name":"t3_18y9zw2","quarantine":false,"link_flair_text_color":"dark","upvote_ratio":0.99,"author_flair_background_color":null,"subreddit_type":"public","ups":236,"total_awards_received":0,"media_embed":{},"thumbnail_width":null,"author_flair_template_id":"9d802a98-b766-11e6-a40a-0e1cfceb9f30","is_original_content":false,"user_reports":[],"secure_media":null,"is_reddit_media_domain":false,"is_meta":false,"category":null,"secure_media_embed":{},"link_flair_text":"Activism","can_mod_post":false,"score":236,"approved_by":null,"is_created_from_ads_ui":false,"author_premium":false,"thumbnail":"self","edited":1704394179.0,"author_flair_css_class":null,"author_flair_richtext":[{"e":"text","t":"<-----King of the North!"}],"gildings":{},"content_categories":null,"is_self":true,"mod_note":null,"created":1704364014.0,"link_flair_type":"richtext","wls":7,"removed_by_category":null,"banned_by":null,"author_flair_type":"richtext","domain":"self.exjw","allow_live_comments":false,"selftext_html":"<!-- SC_OFF --><div class=\"md\"><p>Google translate of the filings before the trial can be read and downloaded here:<a href=\"https://drive.google.com/file/d/1v03EaoPGQMGKfC0YcV9rXl2TiswIeGNo/view?usp=drivesdk&amp;fbclid=IwAR1NARr4NAdrz4LCuPOrKm84WASeYACqAKlim3NoiGkVRbA4DHjlps1aAWk\">https://drive.google.com/file/d/1v03EaoPGQMGKfC0YcV9rXl2TiswIeGNo/view?usp=drivesdk</a></p>\n\n<p>Page 6 and 7 in the document shows the list of witnesses on behalf of the State.</p>\n\n<p>I&#39;m going in as witness Friday at 13:55, I won&#39;t be allowed to post anything from the trial before that. Might be updates available from other accounts, though.</p>\n\n<p>Anyway! Wish us all good luck.</p>\n\n<p>Podcast conversation here:  <a href=\"https://pod.link/1540824671/episode/b48df3af4a5c2efe58e69e9d0f5b6d66?fbclid=IwAR0aiypCmBtQ57ur51yBZQTotdtoIgd7_IKEz-w-99fmI9IvqES5et9cP8o\">https://pod.link/1540824671/episode/b48df3af4a5c2efe58e69e9d0f5b6d66</a></p>\n</div><!-- SC_ON -->","likes":null,"suggested_sort":null,"banned_at_utc":null,"view_count":null,"archived":false,"no_follow":false,"is_crosspostable":false,"pinned":false,"over_18":false,"all_awardings":[],"awarders":[],"media_only":false,"link_flair_template_id":"afe8a0fa-6405-11e8-b16d-0e2ea4793606","can_gild":false,"spoiler":false,"locked":false,"author_flair_text":"<-----King of the North!","treatment_tags":[],"visited":false,"removed_by":null,"num_reports":null,"distinguished":null,"subreddit_id":"t5_2qp5l","author_is_blocked":false,"mod_reason_by":null,"removal_reason":null,"link_flair_background_color":"#bbbdbf","id":"18y9zw2","is_robot_indexable":true,"report_reasons":null,"author":"FrodeKommode","discussion_type":null,"num_comments":39,"send_replies":true,"contest_mode":false,"mod_reports":[],"author_patreon_flair":false,"author_flair_text_color":"dark","permalink":"/r/exjw/comments/18y9zw2/norway_vs_jw_main_trial_starts_monday_written/","stickied":false,"url":"https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/18y9zw2/norway_vs_jw_main_trial_starts_monday_written/","subreddit_subscribers":119984,"created_utc":1704364014.0,"num_crossposts":0,"media":null,"is_video":false}
{"approved_at_utc":null,"subreddit":"exjw","selftext":"Reference post, we are now closing in on #11 in this list, the \"real court case\".  \n[https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/107d31q/summarystatus\\_regarding\\_norway/](https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/107d31q/summarystatus_regarding_norway/)  \n\n\nNotice that #7-#10 ended with **complete loss for WT**. They lost their injunction request in all 3 levels of Norwegian court. My testimony in this case is mentioned in this post:  \n[https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/12m0jl7/my\\_testimony\\_from\\_wt\\_vs\\_norway\\_has\\_been/](https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/12m0jl7/my_testimony_from_wt_vs_norway_has_been/)  \n\n\nAs always, absolutely no mention on JWdowOrg about their loss in three levels of court. The only thing you find if you search is their premature, temporary win, that came before the state/exjw arguments were even prepared and heard. That's how WT rolls when it comes to information. Rread up and learn.  \n\n\nAnyway, this is the official schedule for the court case, two full weeks in open court:  \n[https://www.domstol.no/no/nar-gar-rettssaken/?CaseId=AAAA2305091514091751145IQNNLOx%C2%A4y%C2%A4zEJBAvtale](https://www.domstol.no/no/nar-gar-rettssaken/?CaseId=AAAA2305091514091751145IQNNLOx%C2%A4y%C2%A4zEJBAvtale)  \n\n\nNotice that this case is not WT vs Apostates. It is **WT vs The State of Norway**. And the state of Norway covers all expenses, and uses us exjw's as witnesses. We're represented by two govermental lawyers. This means that all our financial expenses will be covered by the state, and we risk no personal retributions.   \n\n\nAnyway, the schedule is not completely confirmed, but it looks like the witnesses for the State side (mostly exjw) are set to be done at tuesday and wednesday in week 2, **the 16th and 17th of January.**  \n\n\nIf anyone plan to travel to Oslo and watch the case, this will be the days we could use some brothers and sisters on our side. We expect JW's to try to pack the court as they did in the injunction case, where it was filled with Elders, CO's and R&F JW's.  \n\n\nAFAIK for now there's at least 7 exjw witnesses, including myself, Rolf Furuli and then mostly brave women in different ages with different stories. Some of them have been in media before, some will step up for the first time.  \n\n\nWe'll get back to more details when it gets closer, but letting you know now so those interested and living not too far away can plan a trip to Oslo in January. \n\n&#x200B;","author_fullname":"t2_13lcbzt","saved":false,"mod_reason_title":null,"gilded":0,"clicked":false,"title":"Watchtower vs Norway - Time schedule for main court case - update","link_flair_richtext":[{"e":"text","t":"Activism"}],"subreddit_name_prefixed":"r/exjw","hidden":false,"pwls":7,"link_flair_css_class":"activism","downs":0,"thumbnail_height":null,"top_awarded_type":null,"hide_score":false,"name":"t3_17xa3tf","quarantine":false,"link_flair_text_color":"dark","upvote_ratio":0.99,"author_flair_background_color":null,"subreddit_type":"public","ups":142,"total_awards_received":0,"media_embed":{},"thumbnail_width":null,"author_flair_template_id":"9d802a98-b766-11e6-a40a-0e1cfceb9f30","is_original_content":false,"user_reports":[],"secure_media":null,"is_reddit_media_domain":false,"is_meta":false,"category":null,"secure_media_embed":{},"link_flair_text":"Activism","can_mod_post":false,"score":142,"approved_by":null,"is_created_from_ads_ui":false,"author_premium":false,"thumbnail":"self","edited":false,"author_flair_css_class":null,"author_flair_richtext":[{"e":"text","t":"<-----King of the North!"}],"gildings":{},"content_categories":null,"is_self":true,"mod_note":null,"created":1700207783.0,"link_flair_type":"richtext","wls":7,"removed_by_category":null,"banned_by":null,"author_flair_type":"richtext","domain":"self.exjw","allow_live_comments":false,"selftext_html":"<!-- SC_OFF --><div class=\"md\"><p>Reference post, we are now closing in on #11 in this list, the &quot;real court case&quot;.<br/>\n<a href=\"https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/107d31q/summarystatus_regarding_norway/\">https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/107d31q/summarystatus_regarding_norway/</a>  </p>\n\n<p>Notice that #7-#10 ended with <strong>complete loss for WT</strong>. They lost their injunction request in all 3 levels of Norwegian court. My testimony in this case is mentioned in this post:<br/>\n<a href=\"https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/12m0jl7/my_testimony_from_wt_vs_norway_has_been/\">https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/12m0jl7/my_testimony_from_wt_vs_norway_has_been/</a>  </p>\n\n<p>As always, absolutely no mention on JWdowOrg about their loss in three levels of court. The only thing you find if you search is their premature, temporary win, that came before the state/exjw arguments were even prepared and heard. That&#39;s how WT rolls when it comes to information. Rread up and learn.  </p>\n\n<p>Anyway, this is the official schedule for the court case, two full weeks in open court:<br/>\n<a href=\"https://www.domstol.no/no/nar-gar-rettssaken/?CaseId=AAAA2305091514091751145IQNNLOx%C2%A4y%C2%A4zEJBAvtale\">https://www.domstol.no/no/nar-gar-rettssaken/?CaseId=AAAA2305091514091751145IQNNLOx%C2%A4y%C2%A4zEJBAvtale</a>  </p>\n\n<p>Notice that this case is not WT vs Apostates. It is <strong>WT vs The State of Norway</strong>. And the state of Norway covers all expenses, and uses us exjw&#39;s as witnesses. We&#39;re represented by two govermental lawyers. This means that all our financial expenses will be covered by the state, and we risk no personal retributions.   </p>\n\n<p>Anyway, the schedule is not completely confirmed, but it looks like the witnesses for the State side (mostly exjw) are set to be done at tuesday and wednesday in week 2, <strong>the 16th and 17th of January.</strong>  </p>\n\n<p>If anyone plan to travel to Oslo and watch the case, this will be the days we could use some brothers and sisters on our side. We expect JW&#39;s to try to pack the court as they did in the injunction case, where it was filled with Elders, CO&#39;s and R&amp;F JW&#39;s.  </p>\n\n<p>AFAIK for now there&#39;s at least 7 exjw witnesses, including myself, Rolf Furuli and then mostly brave women in different ages with different stories. Some of them have been in media before, some will step up for the first time.  </p>\n\n<p>We&#39;ll get back to more details when it gets closer, but letting you know now so those interested and living not too far away can plan a trip to Oslo in January. </p>\n\n<p>&#x200B;</p>\n</div><!-- SC_ON -->","likes":null,"suggested_sort":null,"banned_at_utc":null,"view_count":null,"archived":false,"no_follow":false,"is_crosspostable":false,"pinned":false,"over_18":false,"all_awardings":[],"awarders":[],"media_only":false,"link_flair_template_id":"afe8a0fa-6405-11e8-b16d-0e2ea4793606","can_gild":false,"spoiler":false,"locked":false,"author_flair_text":"<-----King of the North!","treatment_tags":[],"visited":false,"removed_by":null,"num_reports":null,"distinguished":null,"subreddit_id":"t5_2qp5l","author_is_blocked":false,"mod_reason_by":null,"removal_reason":null,"link_flair_background_color":"#bbbdbf","id":"17xa3tf","is_robot_indexable":true,"report_reasons":null,"author":"FrodeKommode","discussion_type":null,"num_comments":24,"send_replies":true,"contest_mode":false,"mod_reports":[],"author_patreon_flair":false,"author_flair_text_color":"dark","permalink":"/r/exjw/comments/17xa3tf/watchtower_vs_norway_time_schedule_for_main_court/","stickied":false,"url":"https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/17xa3tf/watchtower_vs_norway_time_schedule_for_main_court/","subreddit_subscribers":119984,"created_utc":1700207783.0,"num_crossposts":0,"media":null,"is_video":false}
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{"approved_at_utc":null,"subreddit":"exjw","selftext":"Another loss for WT, their appeal regarding the injunction was rejected.\n\n[https://twitter.com/jfnilsen/status/1683588736351600642](https://twitter.com/jfnilsen/status/1683588736351600642)\n\n[https://www.vl.no/religion/2023/07/24/jehovas-vitner-tapte-ankesak-far-ikke-midlertidig-vigselsrett/](https://www.vl.no/religion/2023/07/24/jehovas-vitner-tapte-ankesak-far-ikke-midlertidig-vigselsrett/)  \n","author_fullname":"t2_13lcbzt","saved":false,"mod_reason_title":null,"gilded":0,"clicked":false,"title":"Norway vs WT 2-0","link_flair_richtext":[{"e":"text","t":"News"}],"subreddit_name_prefixed":"r/exjw","hidden":false,"pwls":7,"link_flair_css_class":"news","downs":0,"thumbnail_height":null,"top_awarded_type":null,"hide_score":false,"name":"t3_158o4cn","quarantine":false,"link_flair_text_color":"dark","upvote_ratio":0.99,"author_flair_background_color":null,"subreddit_type":"public","ups":173,"total_awards_received":0,"media_embed":{},"thumbnail_width":null,"author_flair_template_id":"9d802a98-b766-11e6-a40a-0e1cfceb9f30","is_original_content":false,"user_reports":[],"secure_media":null,"is_reddit_media_domain":false,"is_meta":false,"category":null,"secure_media_embed":{},"link_flair_text":"News","can_mod_post":false,"score":173,"approved_by":null,"is_created_from_ads_ui":false,"author_premium":false,"thumbnail":"self","edited":false,"author_flair_css_class":null,"author_flair_richtext":[{"e":"text","t":"<-----King of the North!"}],"gildings":{},"post_hint":"self","content_categories":null,"is_self":true,"mod_note":null,"created":1690235027.0,"link_flair_type":"richtext","wls":7,"removed_by_category":null,"banned_by":null,"author_flair_type":"richtext","domain":"self.exjw","allow_live_comments":false,"selftext_html":"<!-- SC_OFF --><div class=\"md\"><p>Another loss for WT, their appeal regarding the injunction was rejected.</p>\n\n<p><a href=\"https://twitter.com/jfnilsen/status/1683588736351600642\">https://twitter.com/jfnilsen/status/1683588736351600642</a></p>\n\n<p><a href=\"https://www.vl.no/religion/2023/07/24/jehovas-vitner-tapte-ankesak-far-ikke-midlertidig-vigselsrett/\">https://www.vl.no/religion/2023/07/24/jehovas-vitner-tapte-ankesak-far-ikke-midlertidig-vigselsrett/</a>  </p>\n</div><!-- SC_ON -->","likes":null,"suggested_sort":null,"banned_at_utc":null,"view_count":null,"archived":false,"no_follow":false,"is_crosspostable":false,"pinned":false,"over_18":false,"preview":{"images":[{"source":{"url":"https://external-preview.redd.it/fPffrBNDmsVdIbxTgqBWnvAxaHz-ixPErgChtVqUleU.jpg?auto=webp&s=7fa09c2e370a1e5f4c3d0631b50747ef11c5b070","width":140,"height":140},"resolutions":[{"url":"https://external-preview.redd.it/fPffrBNDmsVdIbxTgqBWnvAxaHz-ixPErgChtVqUleU.jpg?width=108&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=70020b9365e56ce3e57e88557a57535c2b729a48","width":108,"height":108}],"variants":{},"id":"2ExUZjm0xhYV48P0PQVPbkX_hMJhtz1P66bM__hfFic"}],"enabled":false},"all_awardings":[],"awarders":[],"media_only":false,"link_flair_template_id":"ab1fff82-6405-11e8-86f3-0e5f20cd29ce","can_gild":false,"spoiler":false,"locked":false,"author_flair_text":"<-----King of the North!","treatment_tags":[],"visited":false,"removed_by":null,"num_reports":null,"distinguished":null,"subreddit_id":"t5_2qp5l","author_is_blocked":false,"mod_reason_by":null,"removal_reason":null,"link_flair_background_color":"#bbbdbf","id":"158o4cn","is_robot_indexable":true,"report_reasons":null,"author":"FrodeKommode","discussion_type":null,"num_comments":35,"send_replies":true,"contest_mode":false,"mod_reports":[],"author_patreon_flair":false,"author_flair_text_color":"dark","permalink":"/r/exjw/comments/158o4cn/norway_vs_wt_20/","stickied":false,"url":"https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/158o4cn/norway_vs_wt_20/","subreddit_subscribers":119984,"created_utc":1690235027.0,"num_crossposts":0,"media":null,"is_video":false}
{"approved_at_utc":null,"subreddit":"exjw","selftext":"# Jehovah's Witness defector Frode: Living with the nightmares\n\n[https://www.dagbladet.no/tema/jehovas-vitner-avhopper-frode-lever-med-marerittene/78508064](https://www.dagbladet.no/tema/jehovas-vitner-avhopper-frode-lever-med-marerittene/78508064)  \n\n\nFor many years he was part of the religious community Jehovah's Witnesses. Then Frode (45) had enough. Now he reveals everything about life on the inside, the \"forbidden\" sexuality and falling in love - and the dramatic break-up.  \n\n\n&#x200B;\n\n[LOST FAITH: Faith disappeared over twenty years ago, but several years would pass before Frode settled with the congregation. Photo: Jørn H. Moen \\/ Dagbladet](https://preview.redd.it/9m4jee4mflxa1.png?width=993&format=png&auto=webp&s=df6fb8041cd8a86fc24dee542526e29051f7fad9)\n\n\\-“I have learned of your actions and am terribly disappointed and sorry. Although I am deeply fond of you, I will and cannot have anything to do with an apostate.”\n\n&#x200B;\n\nThe messages tick into Jan Frode Nilsen's mobile phone. They are from family, friends and other acquaintances in Jehovah's Witnesses.\n\n&#x200B;\n\nFrode feels he is reading messages from his own funeral, but replies that he understands.\n\n&#x200B;\n\n\"This became a choice between what is right for my children, my family, my conscience. And then I choose to stand up for what I believe is right,\" he writes back.\n\n&#x200B;\n\n\"If I'm going to get ahead in life, I can't continue to hide what I feel.\"  \n\n\n&#x200B;\n\nhttps://preview.redd.it/f927voltflxa1.png?width=688&format=png&auto=webp&s=a2bd3c8b86bdd2df3c794027dac7d4718a9704cb\n\nA barking dog runs across the courtyard as Frode opens the door to the detached house in Risør.\n\n&#x200B;\n\nIt is February 2023, over three years since he broke with Jehovah's Witnesses. The 45-year-old is wearing jeans and a T-shirt, and his hair is in a short ponytail.\n\n&#x200B;\n\n\\- I was looked down upon for having slightly too long bangs and a beard, he claims.\n\n&#x200B;\n\n\\- You will not be ostracized for that reason, but it is completely out of the question whether you should rise in the ranks. Now I've let my hair grow, and haven't been clean-shaven for many years.  \n\n\nhttps://preview.redd.it/khn0fnmwflxa1.png?width=1463&format=png&auto=webp&s=80ffa28bd3413a917bae7d3242da9bcbe1ff8b77\n\nInside, family photos, drawings and records hang on the walls. The bookshelf that was once filled with years of \"The Watchtower\" and \"Wake up!\" has been replaced with novels, including The Lord of the Rings. That book is not directly banned in the religious community, but on the border, according to Frode.\n\n&#x200B;\n\n\\- I removed all literature. Filled garbage bags and threw out the period when I hit ban.\n\n&#x200B;\n\nFrode is born into Jehovah's Witnesses. He never celebrates Christmas, Easter or May 17. He goes to a normal school, but is taken out of Christian education, and is never allowed to take part in birthday parties or organized sports.\n\n&#x200B;\n\nAt weekends he goes door to door, and three evenings a week he attends meetings with the rest of the congregation, cut short in a suit and tie, he says. Frode learns about Jehovah and Jesus. He is told that in the next few years Armageddon will come. Then God will send fireballs down from heaven, killing all \"the worldly\" who do not follow Jehovah, he claims he was told. After this, Jehovah's Witnesses will live on earth for billions of years. Eating grapes and cuddling with lions and deer, in a paradise where no one gets old or sick.\n\n&#x200B;\n\n\\- Being one of Jehovah's witnesses is more about identity than religion, where it is constantly emphasized that you are not like the others, claims Frode.  \n\n\n&#x200B;\n\n[NO REGRETS: - I never doubted after I left them, it was a relief. My only regret is that I waited too long. I should have done it twenty years earlier. Photo: Jørn H. Moen \\/ Dagbladet](https://preview.redd.it/cifyiy20glxa1.png?width=688&format=png&auto=webp&s=8d17633678ef04be865acd6fe78ef123d53b30d7)\n\nYou live in a parallel reality, which is based on outsiders and a view that the world will soon, and quite concretely, disappear. Then such a great distance is built up from everyone else, that the threshold for breaking out becomes so high.\n\n&#x200B;\n\nAs the years go by, the time for Armageddon is moved, explains Frode.\n\n&#x200B;\n\n\"Like a carrot before a running donkey.\"  \n\n\nHe remembers well 1988 when it was announced that Lillehammer was to host the Olympics in 1994. Six years ahead.\n\n&#x200B;\n\n\\- We talked about how stupid it was that Norway should build arenas that would never be used. Because as a child I believed in this reality, and everyone I knew thought the same way.\n\n&#x200B;\n\n\\- Were you afraid a lot as a child?\n\n&#x200B;\n\n\\- No... says Frode, goes for it.\n\n&#x200B;\n\n\\- More depressed perhaps. I thought, if I die then fuck it. Because you are not guaranteed to survive Armageddon just because you are in Jehovah's Witnesses, there are high requirements.\n\n&#x200B;\n\nRead comments from Frode's father and from Jehovah's Witnesses at the bottom of the case.\n\n&#x200B;\n\nFrode defines the religious community more as a culture than a religion. Because neither he nor the friends he grew up with sat down in the evening and prayed to God, he claims.\n\n&#x200B;\n\n\\- You didn't?\n\n&#x200B;\n\n\\- No, he says and snorts.\n\n&#x200B;\n\n\\- None of us were religious. We were Jehovah's Witnesses, but we weren't religious.\n\n&#x200B;\n\nBut there is one point in life he really believes. He is then 17 years old and has just been baptized.\n\n&#x200B;\n\n\"Shit, now I have to toughen up,\" he thinks, decides to enter the literature properly and surrender. Inside, he lives in an echo chamber, accepts what is written and sees the meaning in it. He builds a belief, gets a \"boost\", because he finally does what everyone said he would do.  \n\n\n&#x200B;\n\nhttps://preview.redd.it/9mqdj699glxa1.png?width=980&format=png&auto=webp&s=83c1e0cab9bee6937dfdfff605ae12456d5a1d1e\n\nClean-shaven, in a shirt and tie, he preaches from door to door for hours. He gives speeches to assemblies. Young, eager and with a raised arm. Among the youth group, he is one of those who make sure that the others behave. Because according to the Jehovah's Witnesses' own website, unmarried people must avoid \"sexual immorality\" such as intercourse, but also \"caressing another person's genitals, oral sex and anal sex.\"\n\n&#x200B;\n\n\\- Then you risk being ostracized. Because you can't have such strict rules without a real threat. Then it would have slipped completely, says Frode.\n\n&#x200B;\n\nIf you know that someone has slept with each other, you must tell \"the elders\", or risk the same punishment if it is discovered, claims Frode. This means that he rarely feels safe, only with his two closest friends does he dare to let loose a little.\n\n&#x200B;\n\nAdolescence passes and Frode stays, touching no one else. But he feels a strongly repressed sexuality, an eternal struggle over what he should do, but cannot master. He feels useless. He does not fit in the world outside, but at the same time he is unable to comply with the requirements inside. He loses his spark, shuts down his emotions and stops following trains of thought.\n\n&#x200B;\n\nAt the age of 23, he marries a girl who is also one of Jehovah's Witnesses. In the following years, Frode works as a craftsman, parties and travels. If he can avoid it, he does not tell people around him that he is one of Jehovah's Witnesses. He goes to some meetings, but mostly so people don't start talking. He does not relate to faith.\n\n&#x200B;\n\nNot until he has a child, then he will be jolted out of his stupor. Because as a father, it is his task to teach the children the doctrine, but Frode gets to block it completely.\n\n&#x200B;\n\n\"I'm not doing this,\" he thinks.\n\n&#x200B;\n\n\"My children will not grow up like I did.\"\n\n&#x200B;\n\nA psychologist helps him share thoughts he has not dared to say out loud. He learns that he has split his personality. Live one reality in Jehovah's Witnesses, another at school, at work and at parties.\n\n&#x200B;\n\nThen everything collapses.\n\n&#x200B;\n\nFrode discovers the world outside, compares it to the Matrix, an illusion that bursts.\n\n&#x200B;\n\n“I don't belong among humans, there's something wrong with me. I can't take it anymore,' he thinks, seeing no way forward.\n\n&#x200B;\n\nAt the age of 37, he is admitted to a psychiatric ward. When the bottom which later turns out to be a turning point.  \n\n\nOutside the bubble, Frode creates anonymous profiles on various forums. He gets to hear other people's stories, similar variations of what he himself has experienced, and realizes that he is not \"as fucked up\" as he thought. He finds a new community, realizes that there are lots of people out there crying out for help.\n\n&#x200B;\n\nA commitment grows in him, and he thinks:\n\n&#x200B;\n\n\"Shit, I have to do something.\"\n\n&#x200B;\n\nFrode contacts the media. Appears anonymously in several cases where he speaks critically about the practice of Jehovah's Witnesses.\n\n&#x200B;\n\n\"Those of you who do not belong to Jehovah's Witnesses probably think that the family will always be there (..) We who have grown up in Jehovah's Witnesses have learned something else; the family is obliged to shut us out if we no longer believe correctly or live as the leaders of Jehovah's Witnesses have decided,\" he told Fædrelandsvennen in November 2018.\n\n&#x200B;\n\nFrode is scared, frustrated and angry at this point. He does not dare to opt out, fears a future where his own children will be sucked into the congregation, and in the long run will be pressured to cut contact with him.\n\n&#x200B;\n\nIn August 2019, Vårt Land writes that Jehovah's Witnesses who vote in political elections can be excluded from the religious community. Kjell Ingolf Ropstad (KrF), Minister of Religion and Philosophy at the time, told the newspaper that it provides grounds for withdrawing the state aid, which at this point is around NOK 14 million. In October of the same year, the County Governor receives a written statement from Jehovah's Witnesses:\n\n&#x200B;\n\n\"If someone in our religious community chooses to participate in a political election by voting, Jehovah's Witnesses will see it as that person has himself chosen to leave the religious community (..) the person is still welcome to attend religious services, (..) he or she can also talk to and socialize with the immediate family normally, Jehovah's Witness writes to the County Commissioner.\n\n&#x200B;\n\n\\- When I read it, it clicked for me, says Frode.\n\n&#x200B;\n\n\\- Then I couldn't do it anymore.\n\n&#x200B;\n\nOn 29 October 2019, he will appear for the first time with his full name and photo on the cover of Vårt Land.\n\n&#x200B;\n\n\\- The leadership of Jehovah's Witnesses lie openly and trample on thousands of ex-Witnesses who have actually lost their families, he says to the newspaper.\n\n&#x200B;\n\nIt is after this that messages from friends and family flow into his mobile phone. He maintains contact with his children, they are never baptized as Jehovah's Witnesses, he says, but contact with the rest of the family is severely limited.\n\n&#x200B;\n\nIn January 2020, he receives an official certificate in the post confirming that he has been deregistered from the religious community.  \n\n\n\\- No, what should I say? It was a bit of a closure..., he says.\n\n&#x200B;\n\n\\- I feel much better after I completed the settlement. But I needed time to build myself up, to feel in control. If I had done the same thing three years earlier, I would have collapsed and been just this tiny, lonely person.  \n\n\nIn January 2022, Jehovah's Witnesses will lose their state support. The reason for the decision is that they have an exclusion practice which means that members are denied contact with deregistered members, writes the Statsforvalteren in Oslo and Viken.\n\n&#x200B;\n\nFrode cries when the message comes.\n\n&#x200B;\n\n\\- It was very sensitive, strange, but also sad, he says.\n\n&#x200B;\n\n\\- I am portrayed as the biggest opponent of Jehovah's Witnesses, a bitter person who just hates them. But I don't. The focus has never been to destroy Jehovah's Witnesses, but I think there must be some minimum requirements to get government support.\n\n&#x200B;\n\nIn the first years outside the congregation, Frode is alone a lot. All the network he had, with the exception of the children and what is now his ex-wife, is in Jehovah's Witnesses. Throughout his upbringing, he had been told, he claims, that he had to be careful out in the world, otherwise Satan would come and \"offer\" with sex orgies, drunkenness and drugs.  \n\n\n  \n\n\nhttps://preview.redd.it/2ebgpt4lglxa1.png?width=1581&format=png&auto=webp&s=cf4a61a2f663e1b02b631d318e6b304e84c0b0f9\n\nIt was just a bit disappointing then, he says, laughing.\n\n&#x200B;\n\n\\- I didn't get anything for free from Satan, I had to make an effort to get a network, and it surprised me how straight people were. It was a learning curve, but also traumatic because there was so much shame, especially around sexuality and suddenly having to let loose.\n\n&#x200B;\n\nFrode is almost 40 years old before he can date freely. The whole concept of dating outside the faith community is foreign to him. He fumbles, feels like an alien, like a foreigner trying to integrate. What was he going to say? Should he tough it out, be open, or pretend it's nothing?\n\n&#x200B;\n\n\\- The first time I was invited to an adult birthday party, I really wondered what they did there. Should you bring gifts, or is it just something you do as a child?  \n\n\n&#x200B;\n\nhttps://preview.redd.it/z9gfmi4pglxa1.png?width=688&format=png&auto=webp&s=fac6b77cd7dc822d0aec73102f2b3a6785c0ebb8\n\nIt is also a \"very special mind-fuck\", says Frode, that time suddenly becomes a non-renewable resource. By the time Frode really realizes this, he will be over 40 years old. Then he starts thinking about the childhood and youth he will never get back.\n\n&#x200B;\n\n\\- I was really, really good at football as a child. But I never got to try out for a team, never got to know if I could become something, as it were. The same with higher education, which is looked down upon by the congregation. I never know what I could achieve.\n\n&#x200B;\n\nBut life goes on, emphasizes Frode. He has voted in parliamentary elections, gone on the May 17 train and celebrated Christmas Eve. He has also got \"worldly\" friends and a new girlfriend.  \n\n\n&#x200B;\n\n[VOTES: Frode took a selfie at his first parliamentary election in 2017. He was then 40 years old. - I didn't even know how to do it. Inside the cubicle I was Googling like an idiot, it was completely absurd. Photo: Private.](https://preview.redd.it/irffop6sglxa1.png?width=688&format=png&auto=webp&s=ec0e977c79617d39149364a25bceef1562beb8d9)\n\nOn a daily basis, he works for a construction company, has in practice worked his way up to a good job without an education. The 45-year-old is also in fourth place on the Labor Party's list for the upcoming election in Risør.  \n\n\n&#x200B;\n\nhttps://preview.redd.it/pa7j70ayglxa1.png?width=688&format=png&auto=webp&s=e5f90acbfb24753d29405ac5c6d40a60fe26ae71\n\nHe thinks little of religion, and describes himself as a \"non-active atheist.\"  \n\n\n\\- Everyday life is about establishing life, and doing the best for the children. And I think we've done well, especially considering where we were a few years ago, he says, looking over at his daughter on the sofa, and the dog that has settled down between them.  \n\n\n&#x200B;\n\nhttps://preview.redd.it/10o83bd2hlxa1.png?width=1463&format=png&auto=webp&s=851a4f83c7af5826788ca660d80bb989eb60173c\n\n\\- I think she has lived here for around twelve years, and that is the life she has. Life should be made the best it can be, and it is not meaningless because you should not last for billions of years.  \n\n\n**The father and Jehovah's Witnesses answer**\n\n&#x200B;\n\nDagbladet has been in contact with Frode's father, who is part of Jehovah's Witnesses.\n\n&#x200B;\n\n\\- First, I want to strongly distance myself and apologize for the content of the text message mentioned in the introduction. We always want to treat our fellow human beings in a friendly way. This also applies if someone makes a different choice. We want to leave a good impression. If someone has sent such a message, that is not how we want to act, he writes to Dagbladet.\n\n&#x200B;\n\nWhen it comes to his son's choices and decisions, the father says he accepts this.\n\n&#x200B;\n\n\\- He is free to make his choices and have his reasons. Although I personally disagree.\n\n&#x200B;\n\nThe father believes that it has not come across well in the media that Jehovah's Witnesses are taught to follow their own conscience and biblical principles.\n\n&#x200B;\n\n\\- This applies to all choices where the Bible does not make clear requirements. And then you will follow your own conscience. This also applies to exclusion, he says, and elaborates:\n\n&#x200B;\n\n\\- It is allowed to be flexible. If you are flexible, you will make a decision based on the current situation. It is of course permissible to show special consideration also towards excluded persons or those who have withdrawn. The family ties still apply. One still has biblical obligations to show care in the event of a special need. This also applies to mental health.\n\nJehovah's Witnesses: - Standing free\n\n&#x200B;\n\nBecoming one of Jehovah's Witnesses is a free and informed choice, writes Fabian Fond, spokesman from the Jehovah's Witnesses' information department, to Dagbladet. He speaks on a general basis, and not specifically about Frode's case.\n\n&#x200B;\n\nHe says that if a Jehovah's Witness no longer wants to live according to the Bible's norms and values, he or she is free to do so.\n\n&#x200B;\n\nBut the religious community then has the right to decide whether this person can continue to be part of the religious community. One is not automatically excluded by committing a serious sin, or because of minor things, but if a baptized Jehovah's witness makes it a habit to break the moral standards of the Bible and does not repent, he or she is excluded, he elaborates.\n\n&#x200B;\n\n\\- It is the Bible itself that defines what a serious transgression is, and baptized Jehovah's Witnesses understand that they should avoid such acts as sexual immorality, adultery, theft, extortion, murder and spiritism.\n\n&#x200B;\n\nExcluded people who show a sincere desire to live according to the Bible's norms are always welcome to become Jehovah's Witnesses again, emphasizes Fond.\n\n&#x200B;\n\nJehovah's Witnesses do everything they can to promote and protect family life, Fond believes, but at the same time points out that it is understandable that friends and family for weighty personal reasons may choose to limit or cut off contact with the excluded person due to the emotional pain and the the problems that the person has caused the family.\n\n&#x200B;\n\nAs in cases where a husband abandons his wife and children, or in cases where a member of the family has squandered the family's finances due to alcohol or drug addiction.\n\n&#x200B;\n\n\\- Jehovah's Witnesses neither pressure nor force anyone to become, or continue to be, one of Jehovah's Witnesses.\n\n&#x200B;\n\nFurthermore, Fond says that Jehovah's Witnesses are known to respect political institutions in a country, including the results of democratic elections.\n\n&#x200B;\n\nAccording to Fond, several international professional studies show that Jehovah's Witnesses are socially integrated in society, have a deep respect for life, and have a teaching that emphasizes freedom to make personal decisions.\n\n&#x200B;\n\nDagbladet clarifies: On Monday 24 April, it was clarified in the text above that Jehovah's Witnesses are speaking on a general basis, and not specifically about Frode's case.  \n\n\n**- Huge self-criticism**  \n\n\nhttps://preview.redd.it/12ce1v9ihlxa1.png?width=551&format=png&auto=webp&s=53c7d46869404aca3f9b1fa49540c230d6ece5ba\n\nCathrine Moestue was a member of a sex cult from 1984 to 1992. 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{"approved_at_utc":null,"subreddit":"exjw","selftext":"Full victory! Jehovah's Witnesses lost their demand for an injunction and are hereby deregistered in Norway. This means that their \"Breaking News\" from January is now annulled.\n\nWT were also ordered to pay the State's expenses (including my train, hotel and food for two days, lol. Poetic justice) at $25K-ish, and their own legal expenses that were told to be $90K.\n\nHuge win for us. Phew.\n\nVerdict in Norwegian:[https://drive.google.com/file/d/1JA4vjDrsZXiyID85AyC0C4s5k5\\_IjRdW/view?usp=share\\_link](https://drive.google.com/file/d/1JA4vjDrsZXiyID85AyC0C4s5k5_IjRdW/view?usp=share_link)\n\nFor context, check this thread:[https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/107d31q/summarystatus\\_regarding\\_norway/](https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/107d31q/summarystatus_regarding_norway/)\n\nThis means we won and reversed point 7-10.Court session for \\*11 will be scheduled after summer.\n\nSeveral media have apporached me for comment. Here is one of the articles published so far, inkludes a picture of me from the day in court: (norwegian, so you'll have to cut and paste the text to translate)\n\n[https://drive.google.com/file/d/1DAtf\\_2Nm8PwMYJWg1exqUWTtE\\_bp\\_sCu/view?usp=sharing](https://drive.google.com/file/d/1DAtf_2Nm8PwMYJWg1exqUWTtE_bp_sCu/view?usp=sharing)\n\nI'll include a picture from the article, this is before my testimony (Yes, that's a JW behind me. 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On the train home now.</p>\n\n<p>I&#39;ve written a statement on Facebook in Norwegian and put it public</p>\n\n<p><a href=\"https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=pfbid0ksW8dB7GMnj14AYW1jsxbmPzRaMbpgAGWPw8VC4Dn9MHDr4P7LdwaEUDZpBxuBJSl&amp;id=578591856\">https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=pfbid0ksW8dB7GMnj14AYW1jsxbmPzRaMbpgAGWPw8VC4Dn9MHDr4P7LdwaEUDZpBxuBJSl&amp;id=578591856</a></p>\n\n<p>There&#39;s a few things written on my Twitter </p>\n\n<p><a href=\"https://twitter.com/jfnilsen?t=nLkjYsFqrrXZY1PaE6pOgg&amp;s=09\">https://twitter.com/jfnilsen?t=nLkjYsFqrrXZY1PaE6pOgg&amp;s=09</a></p>\n\n<p>Jason Wynne has some information from what has been said;</p>\n\n<p><a href=\"https://twitter.com/JasonMWynne?t=yKfJ1wA4O7eqY4NdXIo6Xg&amp;s=09\">https://twitter.com/JasonMWynne?t=yKfJ1wA4O7eqY4NdXIo6Xg&amp;s=09</a></p>\n\n<p>Apart from that I just need to fold and breathe, sorry. 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I'll travel in to Oslo and attend in person.  \n\n\nThe goverment will fight JW's demand for an injunction, so this will be a little prologue for the real trial that will be scheduled later this summer. It will be really interesting to be a part of this legal battle, after all those years with just digital and media projects.  \n\n\nBecause I'm set to testify on the second day I'll not be able to watch Day 1, but I'm sure we'll be able to get some information somehow. I'll at least make sure to update when I can from Day 2 from my Twitter account for those who want steady updates.  [https://twitter.com/jfnilsen](https://twitter.com/jfnilsen)  \n\n\nWish me luck, or pray for me if that's your thing. Meeting WT HQ in court like this will be some new experience.","author_fullname":"t2_13lcbzt","saved":false,"mod_reason_title":null,"gilded":0,"clicked":false,"title":"Update from Norway - Court is set for review of the temporary injunction March 29/30","link_flair_richtext":[{"e":"text","t":"Activism"}],"subreddit_name_prefixed":"r/exjw","hidden":false,"pwls":7,"link_flair_css_class":"activism","downs":0,"thumbnail_height":null,"top_awarded_type":null,"hide_score":false,"name":"t3_11zwr80","quarantine":false,"link_flair_text_color":"dark","upvote_ratio":0.98,"author_flair_background_color":null,"subreddit_type":"public","ups":117,"total_awards_received":0,"media_embed":{},"thumbnail_width":null,"author_flair_template_id":"9d802a98-b766-11e6-a40a-0e1cfceb9f30","is_original_content":false,"user_reports":[],"secure_media":null,"is_reddit_media_domain":false,"is_meta":false,"category":null,"secure_media_embed":{},"link_flair_text":"Activism","can_mod_post":false,"score":117,"approved_by":null,"is_created_from_ads_ui":false,"author_premium":false,"thumbnail":"self","edited":false,"author_flair_css_class":null,"author_flair_richtext":[{"e":"text","t":"<-----King of the North!"}],"gildings":{},"content_categories":null,"is_self":true,"mod_note":null,"created":1679604269.0,"link_flair_type":"richtext","wls":7,"removed_by_category":null,"banned_by":null,"author_flair_type":"richtext","domain":"self.exjw","allow_live_comments":false,"selftext_html":"<!-- SC_OFF --><div class=\"md\"><p>For reference, see my last update here:<br/>\n<a href=\"https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/107d31q/summarystatus_regarding_norway/?utm_source=share&amp;utm_medium=web2x&amp;context=3\">https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/107d31q/summarystatus_regarding_norway/?utm_source=share&amp;utm_medium=web2x&amp;context=3</a>  </p>\n\n<p>We&#39;re moving ahead to the next step, Point 8/9 in my list.<br/>\nThe real hearing about the temporary injuntion is set to be held at March 29/30 in Oslo Courthouse.  </p>\n\n<p><a href=\"https://www.domstol.no/no/nar-gar-rettssaken/?CaseId=AAAA2301061206273951153NFEXYGx%C2%A4y%C2%A4zEJBAvtale&amp;fbclid=IwAR1eRd7wGuPZF8jTP-YHpnNvHg-0ZP3sKNMqLBkc6mhGHYuMC77QiBL1Iz8\">https://www.domstol.no/no/nar-gar-rettssaken/?CaseId=AAAA2301061206273951153NFEXYGx%C2%A4y%C2%A4zEJBAvtale</a>   </p>\n\n<p>I spent 1.5 hours today in a conference call with the Goverment Attorneys, and we have agreed that I will be summoned as a witness to give my testimony on the second day in court, so that we can use my testimony to talk about the claims JW makes on Day 1. I&#39;ll travel in to Oslo and attend in person.  </p>\n\n<p>The goverment will fight JW&#39;s demand for an injunction, so this will be a little prologue for the real trial that will be scheduled later this summer. It will be really interesting to be a part of this legal battle, after all those years with just digital and media projects.  </p>\n\n<p>Because I&#39;m set to testify on the second day I&#39;ll not be able to watch Day 1, but I&#39;m sure we&#39;ll be able to get some information somehow. I&#39;ll at least make sure to update when I can from Day 2 from my Twitter account for those who want steady updates.  <a href=\"https://twitter.com/jfnilsen\">https://twitter.com/jfnilsen</a>  </p>\n\n<p>Wish me luck, or pray for me if that&#39;s your thing. 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{"approved_at_utc":null,"subreddit":"exjw","selftext":"What I know:The American embassy in Norway, with their Chargè d'Affaires a.i. Sharon Hudson-Dean requested a meeting with the County Governor Valgerd Svarstad Haugland to discuss the situation regarding Jehovah's Witnesses in Norway.This request was accepted and the meeting was held behind closed doors at Januray 18th.\n\nSadly I have no access to any information about what was said.\n\nIt is interesting, though. to see how WT are able to pull off a thing like this, to get the American Embassy to act on their behalf. While still being \"no part of this world\" and being \"strictly neutral\".\n\nHow do they even have this kind of political reach? It's a minor inconvinience for a small (not American at alll...doh...) religious group. Should have been way below the radar for the american embassy. But here we are.","author_fullname":"t2_13lcbzt","saved":false,"mod_reason_title":null,"gilded":0,"clicked":false,"title":"Norway: The American Embassy requested a meeting with the County Governor","link_flair_richtext":[{"e":"text","t":"WT Policy"}],"subreddit_name_prefixed":"r/exjw","hidden":false,"pwls":7,"link_flair_css_class":"wt-policy","downs":0,"thumbnail_height":null,"top_awarded_type":null,"hide_score":false,"name":"t3_10kzh85","quarantine":false,"link_flair_text_color":"light","upvote_ratio":0.98,"author_flair_background_color":null,"subreddit_type":"public","ups":115,"total_awards_received":0,"media_embed":{},"thumbnail_width":null,"author_flair_template_id":"9d802a98-b766-11e6-a40a-0e1cfceb9f30","is_original_content":false,"user_reports":[],"secure_media":null,"is_reddit_media_domain":false,"is_meta":false,"category":null,"secure_media_embed":{},"link_flair_text":"WT Policy","can_mod_post":false,"score":115,"approved_by":null,"is_created_from_ads_ui":false,"author_premium":false,"thumbnail":"self","edited":false,"author_flair_css_class":null,"author_flair_richtext":[{"e":"text","t":"<-----King of the North!"}],"gildings":{},"content_categories":null,"is_self":true,"mod_note":null,"created":1674655830.0,"link_flair_type":"richtext","wls":7,"removed_by_category":null,"banned_by":null,"author_flair_type":"richtext","domain":"self.exjw","allow_live_comments":false,"selftext_html":"<!-- SC_OFF --><div class=\"md\"><p>What I know:The American embassy in Norway, with their Chargè d&#39;Affaires a.i. Sharon Hudson-Dean requested a meeting with the County Governor Valgerd Svarstad Haugland to discuss the situation regarding Jehovah&#39;s Witnesses in Norway.This request was accepted and the meeting was held behind closed doors at Januray 18th.</p>\n\n<p>Sadly I have no access to any information about what was said.</p>\n\n<p>It is interesting, though. to see how WT are able to pull off a thing like this, to get the American Embassy to act on their behalf. While still being &quot;no part of this world&quot; and being &quot;strictly neutral&quot;.</p>\n\n<p>How do they even have this kind of political reach? It&#39;s a minor inconvinience for a small (not American at alll...doh...) religious group. Should have been way below the radar for the american embassy. But here we are.</p>\n</div><!-- SC_ON -->","likes":null,"suggested_sort":null,"banned_at_utc":null,"view_count":null,"archived":false,"no_follow":false,"is_crosspostable":false,"pinned":false,"over_18":false,"all_awardings":[],"awarders":[],"media_only":false,"link_flair_template_id":"fd899260-6405-11e8-9ecd-0e6bdf6e236c","can_gild":false,"spoiler":false,"locked":false,"author_flair_text":"<-----King of the North!","treatment_tags":[],"visited":false,"removed_by":null,"num_reports":null,"distinguished":null,"subreddit_id":"t5_2qp5l","author_is_blocked":false,"mod_reason_by":null,"removal_reason":null,"link_flair_background_color":"#4a6da7","id":"10kzh85","is_robot_indexable":true,"report_reasons":null,"author":"FrodeKommode","discussion_type":null,"num_comments":37,"send_replies":true,"contest_mode":false,"mod_reports":[],"author_patreon_flair":false,"author_flair_text_color":"dark","permalink":"/r/exjw/comments/10kzh85/norway_the_american_embassy_requested_a_meeting/","stickied":false,"url":"https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/10kzh85/norway_the_american_embassy_requested_a_meeting/","subreddit_subscribers":119984,"created_utc":1674655830.0,"num_crossposts":0,"media":null,"is_video":false}
{"approved_at_utc":null,"subreddit":"exjw","selftext":"1. Norway funds all religions, but there are terms that needs to be met\n2. After years of battling WT with letters and articles, the State has concluded that JW breaks those terms. [https://avoidjw.org/world/jehovahs-witnesses-norway/](https://avoidjw.org/world/jehovahs-witnesses-norway/)\n3. Funding for 2021 was denied, and if no new information appears or policy change this will we a permanent decision for all years to come. All WT appeals in the govermental system has been considered and denied.\n4. When they now are removed from the funding system, their name on the list of funded religions will be removed. This is what we call \"registration\". It's not a list of allowed religions in Norway, but a list of funded religions. They are still free to worship, preach and gather as always. No difference. Their current registration for 2022 would not be renewed for 2023. [https://avoidjw.org/news/jehovahs-witnesses-lose-registration-as-a-religious-community/](https://avoidjw.org/news/jehovahs-witnesses-lose-registration-as-a-religious-community/)\n5. Connected to the list of funded religions are the matrimonial privilege. When they are removed this priviliege disappears. They can still have the KH ceremony as always (for those apporved aka those lying about fundling etc) , but to make the marriage legal the couple will have to sign the papers in the courthouse/city hall instead of inside the KH. Only difference. If they are smart they will sign the papers some days ahead and get started. Have the KH ceremony without blue balls. They should write me a letter and say thanks for their calm balls during the KH wedding.\n6. WT have sued the Norwegian Goverment in court to get the funding back. Their counterpart will be the Ministry of Children and Family, as Religion is part of their Ministry. WT's claim is that this decision is a breach of Freedom of Religion and Human Rights. The lawsuit was filed on  12.21.22.\n7. As part of the lawsuit WT on 12.22.2022 asked the court for a temporary injunction that would protect JW from any changes when the current registration runds out in 2022, a few days after the demand was filed (courts took holidays as everybody else).\n8. This injunction was approved in a rush at 12.30.2022. This was done after a one sided demand from WT. The State had no word in it as it was no time to prepare an answer or argue against it. The judge just said that there is not much at stake, no harm will be done if this is approved for a short time, \"until courts decide otherwise\". The State has said they will argue against this when the goverment attorney has had time to prepare their counterargument. This can happen at any time. As this is a civil lawsuit most of the legal arguments will be done in written arguments ahead of courtday before the one judge that will consider the case.   [https://avoidjw.org/news/jehovah-s-witnesses-awarded-temporary-injunction/](https://avoidjw.org/news/jehovah-s-witnesses-awarded-temporary-injunction/)\n9. The result of this is that \"until further notice\" JW keeps their matrimonial privilege. Regarding the funding it means nothing. As funding gets paid out once a year, and was already denied for 2021.\n10. WT plays pretend and lets the whole world know that \"the attempt to remove the registration of Jehovah's Witnesses in Norway has been suspended\" (praise be!).\n11. The real court case has not even begun. First we will have a period with written arguments from both sides, and normally there's negotiations that will be an attempt to reach an understanding on common ground. WT will never accept this, so at some point a court date will be set. I'll make sure to attend this day in court if possible and let you know.\n12. When the court reaches its conclusion the decision will be appealed. There is just no way either WT or the State will accept a loss here. As this is the first test on the new law from 2021 in Norway. There is no way the State will allow one single judge in the lowest court to say that the Norwegian goverment and the Norwegian parliament has made a law that breaches human rights and freedom of religion. And WT are stubborn af as always, they want their money and will spend a lot of money trying to get it back.\n13. Next level of courts. We're now in 2024. And this will appear in \"lagmannsretten\". After the decision is made, you can read #12 again.\n14. Now the decision will be appealed to the Norwegian Supreme Court. They will have two choices, either just refuse the appeal because they feel that the desicion in courts below is right, or accept a full hearing in SC. Since this will be an important principle regarding the new law, there's good chance for SC to take this up. We're now in 2025, or late 2024.\n15. When SC reaches a conclusion in 2025, two things can happen: WT wins, that won't mean that they will get their money, but that Norway will have to reconsider the wording in the law or the decision. The State will have to decide. Or WT loses. WT will then sue the Norwegian State in the ECHR in Strasbourg.\n16. Some time in 2025, maybe 2026, ECHR will consider this appeal. They can either just refuse to take it up (most appeals are refused), that will end this spectacle, or they can accept to look into the matter.\n17. If they accept, this will be a ECHR-case. WT vs Norway, where WT will have to argue that the funding is a basic need for their human rights in Norway.\n18. Two things can happen in ECHR: Norway wins, case is settled and puts precedence for all European countries, or WT wins.\n19. ECHR can't just overrule Norway and overrule the decision, but they can send the case back for new consideration in Norway. If that happens, there's several ways ahead. Norway can change a few words in the law, some words in the decision and then go back to #3 again, or they can split the funding and registration into separate laws. (deny funding, but let them keep the registation/matrimonial prvilieges). Time will tell.\n20. We're now probably in 2027 or something and I'm sick of all this mess I started, lol. Moved on happily ever after. So I probably dgaf anymore anyway.\n\nI'll try to answer your questions in the comments, if you have any. But I'll only pop in now and then, sorry if I have to keep you waiting.  For links to documents, comments and rants, check out my Twitter account @ Jfnilsen\n\nNotice that the avoidjw articles linked in includes lots of documents, most of them are translated for your pleasure if you want to dig deep into the materials. 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All WT appeals in the govermental system has been considered and denied.</li>\n<li>When they now are removed from the funding system, their name on the list of funded religions will be removed. This is what we call &quot;registration&quot;. It&#39;s not a list of allowed religions in Norway, but a list of funded religions. They are still free to worship, preach and gather as always. No difference. Their current registration for 2022 would not be renewed for 2023. <a href=\"https://avoidjw.org/news/jehovahs-witnesses-lose-registration-as-a-religious-community/\">https://avoidjw.org/news/jehovahs-witnesses-lose-registration-as-a-religious-community/</a></li>\n<li>Connected to the list of funded religions are the matrimonial privilege. When they are removed this priviliege disappears. They can still have the KH ceremony as always (for those apporved aka those lying about fundling etc) , but to make the marriage legal the couple will have to sign the papers in the courthouse/city hall instead of inside the KH. Only difference. If they are smart they will sign the papers some days ahead and get started. Have the KH ceremony without blue balls. They should write me a letter and say thanks for their calm balls during the KH wedding.</li>\n<li>WT have sued the Norwegian Goverment in court to get the funding back. Their counterpart will be the Ministry of Children and Family, as Religion is part of their Ministry. WT&#39;s claim is that this decision is a breach of Freedom of Religion and Human Rights. The lawsuit was filed on  12.21.22.</li>\n<li>As part of the lawsuit WT on 12.22.2022 asked the court for a temporary injunction that would protect JW from any changes when the current registration runds out in 2022, a few days after the demand was filed (courts took holidays as everybody else).</li>\n<li>This injunction was approved in a rush at 12.30.2022. This was done after a one sided demand from WT. The State had no word in it as it was no time to prepare an answer or argue against it. The judge just said that there is not much at stake, no harm will be done if this is approved for a short time, &quot;until courts decide otherwise&quot;. The State has said they will argue against this when the goverment attorney has had time to prepare their counterargument. This can happen at any time. As this is a civil lawsuit most of the legal arguments will be done in written arguments ahead of courtday before the one judge that will consider the case.   <a href=\"https://avoidjw.org/news/jehovah-s-witnesses-awarded-temporary-injunction/\">https://avoidjw.org/news/jehovah-s-witnesses-awarded-temporary-injunction/</a></li>\n<li>The result of this is that &quot;until further notice&quot; JW keeps their matrimonial privilege. Regarding the funding it means nothing. As funding gets paid out once a year, and was already denied for 2021.</li>\n<li>WT plays pretend and lets the whole world know that &quot;the attempt to remove the registration of Jehovah&#39;s Witnesses in Norway has been suspended&quot; (praise be!).</li>\n<li>The real court case has not even begun. First we will have a period with written arguments from both sides, and normally there&#39;s negotiations that will be an attempt to reach an understanding on common ground. WT will never accept this, so at some point a court date will be set. I&#39;ll make sure to attend this day in court if possible and let you know.</li>\n<li>When the court reaches its conclusion the decision will be appealed. There is just no way either WT or the State will accept a loss here. As this is the first test on the new law from 2021 in Norway. There is no way the State will allow one single judge in the lowest court to say that the Norwegian goverment and the Norwegian parliament has made a law that breaches human rights and freedom of religion. And WT are stubborn af as always, they want their money and will spend a lot of money trying to get it back.</li>\n<li>Next level of courts. We&#39;re now in 2024. And this will appear in &quot;lagmannsretten&quot;. After the decision is made, you can read #12 again.</li>\n<li>Now the decision will be appealed to the Norwegian Supreme Court. They will have two choices, either just refuse the appeal because they feel that the desicion in courts below is right, or accept a full hearing in SC. Since this will be an important principle regarding the new law, there&#39;s good chance for SC to take this up. We&#39;re now in 2025, or late 2024.</li>\n<li>When SC reaches a conclusion in 2025, two things can happen: WT wins, that won&#39;t mean that they will get their money, but that Norway will have to reconsider the wording in the law or the decision. The State will have to decide. Or WT loses. WT will then sue the Norwegian State in the ECHR in Strasbourg.</li>\n<li>Some time in 2025, maybe 2026, ECHR will consider this appeal. They can either just refuse to take it up (most appeals are refused), that will end this spectacle, or they can accept to look into the matter.</li>\n<li>If they accept, this will be a ECHR-case. WT vs Norway, where WT will have to argue that the funding is a basic need for their human rights in Norway.</li>\n<li>Two things can happen in ECHR: Norway wins, case is settled and puts precedence for all European countries, or WT wins.</li>\n<li>ECHR can&#39;t just overrule Norway and overrule the decision, but they can send the case back for new consideration in Norway. If that happens, there&#39;s several ways ahead. Norway can change a few words in the law, some words in the decision and then go back to #3 again, or they can split the funding and registration into separate laws. (deny funding, but let them keep the registation/matrimonial prvilieges). Time will tell.</li>\n<li>We&#39;re now probably in 2027 or something and I&#39;m sick of all this mess I started, lol. Moved on happily ever after. So I probably dgaf anymore anyway.</li>\n</ol>\n\n<p>I&#39;ll try to answer your questions in the comments, if you have any. But I&#39;ll only pop in now and then, sorry if I have to keep you waiting.  For links to documents, comments and rants, check out my Twitter account @ Jfnilsen</p>\n\n<p>Notice that the avoidjw articles linked in includes lots of documents, most of them are translated for your pleasure if you want to dig deep into the materials. Don&#39;t take my word for granted regarding anything. 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{"approved_at_utc":null,"subreddit":"exjw","selftext":"[https://www.vl.no/meninger/verdidebatt/2022/02/02/dette-er-synderne-i-jehovas-vitner/](https://www.vl.no/meninger/verdidebatt/2022/02/02/dette-er-synderne-i-jehovas-vitner/)\n\n[In print today](https://preview.redd.it/o3hmcg2gllf81.png?width=1204&format=png&auto=webp&s=bf016ee928e92b58c692e7c1adc219f048486064)\n\nFor context, this is regarding the situation in Norway atm\n\nGoogle translation of the text:\n\n**These are the Jehovah's witness sinners**\n\nAs a former Jehovah's Witness, I have followed the ongoing debate in the wake of the Attorney General's decision to reject Jehovah's Witnesses' application for state aid. There have been many suggestions that the human rights and freedom of religion of Jehovah's Witnesses are being violated, but many commentators see the matter from a distance with a cold and theoretical eye.\n\nSo let me take you on a tour of my life. Let me tell about people I have met during the 42 years I have been a registered member of Jehovah's Witnesses.\n\nEven as a small child, I was familiar with the terms \"disfellowshipped\", \"outcast\", and worst of all, the demon in the room: \"the apostate\". One who had not only received his just punishment as rejected and isolated, but who also spoke publicly about it. The very highest level of the scare image. The worst sin. And now I'm sitting here writing this.\n\nI want to tell about one of my childhood friends. He lived mostly with his father and went to meetings with him. His mother was disfellowshipped, even an apostate. We never saw her. But one day he was with her, he wanted to take me home. I was around 14 years old at the time and found it scary. I felt like I was breaking God's commandments by going in there. But I was greeted by a sweet, kind, grown-up lady who gently welcomed me and stayed in the background while we played computer games. She felt tiny, tried to be invisible,  but happy that her son had brought a friend home. It went well. I got out again, but always got something to think about. Who was this woman?\n\nLet me tell you about another friend. He was curious about sex. Wondered about everything and asked us who were a little older.  If we knew anything?  If it was common to touch yourself? If we did too, even if it was a sin? One day he got a girlfriend. They were 16 years old, two young people in the spring of their lives, full of hormones. They were helpless, never had a chance. At a regular meeting in the Kingdom Hall, it was solemnly announced that \"Brother X and Sister Y had been reprimanded by a juidicial committee.\" The whole hall was silent. We just knew it. Everyone understood what they had done. The next day, a relative of mine declared to the entire youth community in the congregation that these two had brought shame on all of us, and that we now had to sharpen up. The couple tried to retain themselves for a while, but apparently did not succeed. A while later my friend came and told me that he was going to be disfellowshipped at the next meeting. He did not get more chances. We had one last night together, sat and chatted. It was a nice evening, a kind of funeral. The next day he was gone. It was announced that he was no longer a Jehovah's Witness. He was disfellowshipped. We often saw him straying around, once in a while I could dare to give him a small, imperceptible nod. A look that said I saw him. But we never talked to each other while he was expelled. That was the way it had to be. We are Jehovah's witnesses. This is who we are.\n\nLet me tell you about another friend. He lived in a slightly larger city than me. A city with several congregations, a vibrant youth environment with many of Jehovah's Witnesses. Cute girls, parties, opportunities to expand the circle of acquaintances.\n\nI went to him almost every weekend, but my friend also struggled mentally. He had bad nights, heavy thoughts. Was dragged between two worlds. Later he was also to receive a psychiatric diagnosis. One day I was told that he had been disfellowshipped. There were rumors that he had slept with a girl, but we also heard other things. Partying, drinking, acting out. And so, from one day to the next, he was gone from my life. He disappeared, my anchor point in that city disappeared and I was no longer connected to that environment. It was heavy, but that was the way it had to be. The congregation had to be kept clean. We have no contact with sinners. We are Jehovah's Witnesses. This is what we do.\n\nI have countless stories like these. And I know that the friends I grew up with can recount similar stories. Outcasts and apostates had to be cut out of their lives. It's a part of us all. Are you a JW and read this, you know it's true. And maybe you're like me, someone who always wished this could be different. Perhaps you felt the bad taste of contradiction when you read about Jesus, about forgiveness, openness and tolerance, and asked yourself if it really had to be that way?\n\nBut you, like me, know that you as a JW do not decide this for yourself. It is the Faithful and Discrete Slave who controls this. The Watchtower Leaders. We have to trust them, they know best. We are Jehovah's Witnesses. This is what we do.\n\nLet me now tell my own story. Year after year, I was caught in the tension between a desire to be a good witness who lived by and mastered the strict social codes, and my own doubts. I had feelings, thoughts, and questions that made me unworthy of Jehovah. After long struggles, I finally had to admit that my faith was completely gone. The bubble around me burst, and I was left naked and alone in a vacuum where everything was suddenly strange, cold and scary.\n\nWhere could I go? How do you start at zero again, when everyone you know, the whole close family and everyone you have built relationships with throughout life will cut all ties to you if you appear as an unbeliever? I ended up in a long process of heavy therapy. Intensive group unit, they called it. Emergency relief, I call it. Lifesaving.\n\nIn order not to lose everything, I created alternative identities online. I lived an anonymous life and made new contacts. For a while, I was the moderator of the world's largest online forum for ex-witnesses, Reddit.com/r/exjw. The stories flooded in. People in the same situation. Anonymous. Scared. Oppressed. In hiding. Double lifes. Others had left JW with major mental wounds. I contacted the media, participated in several major series of articles about JW's dark sides. A journalist followed me for over two years. I voted in secret, I spoke in secret. I was at the Saturday national main news on TV. Always anonymous. Why?\n\nBecause I know the rules. I knew that the day I raised my voice, I would be rejected. I felt that my three children deserved to have contact with their grandparents, uncles and aunts, and the friends they had grown up with. If I was open and honest about my status they would lose all this. That was my responsibility.Several years passed. I never went to meetings. I had no contact with the congregation, but by gently fading away without raising my voice openly, it allowed the family to stay in touch. They could visit the children once in a while, watch them grow up. But it gnawed.\n\nThree years after I last had contact with the congregation, I checked with the public registers and received confirmation that JW was still applying for state funds in my name. And I had no way to stop it without taking the hit at the same time. They have created a hostage situation for their members on which they in turn make money. Each year. Until now.\n\nAt the same time, JW's leaders declare to the County Governor that they do not engage in exclusion, that everyone is free to resign without punishment. In their statement, they write this: \"… Beyond that, he or she can also talk to and associate with the immediate family normally (the only religious restriction is to discuss topics of a religious / religious nature)\"\n\nThis is a claim so gross that it hit me like a sledgehammer in the stomach. So rude that even some body of elders in congregations in Norway contacted JW's management to confront them. A claim so gross that I have met several defectors who threw the cards and walked out of the JW religion there and then. JW adorns here its own practice of faith. For what?\n\nFor the money. Free funds from the Norwegian state. Can you sink any lower?\n\nAt the same time the Watchtower leaders in Norwegian opinion and up against the Norwegian administration have strongly warned against listening to us defectors when we tell our stories, they publish the following known and dear information to their members. January 2022, they publish this on JW's own website:\n\n&#x200B;\n\n>CONTINUE TO BE FAITHFUL TO JEHOVAH  \n>  \n>Some in the Christian congregation have committed serious sins and have been rebuked \"with severity, that they may be sound in the faith.\" (Titus 1:13) Some have behaved in a way that has led to their being excluded. Discipline has helped “those who have been trained by it,” to become spiritually healthy. (Hebrews 12:11) What if someone in our family or a close friend of ours is excluded? Now our loyalty - not to that person, but to God - is being put to the test. Jehovah keeps an eye on what we do to see if we will obey his command not to associate with excluded people. ”\n\n([https://www.jw.org/en/library/jw-meeting-workbook/mwbr202201/](https://www.jw.org/en/library/jw-meeting-workbook/mwbr202201/))\n\n&#x200B;\n\nWe have freedom of religion in Norway, but we can not allow the state to financially support social control and practices that violate both human rights and the UN Convention on the Rights of children as the Jw systematically does, and in addition finance it with tax money.\n\nFor who really needs the support from society at large here? Who gets their human rights violated? A multinational billion-dollar industry with eight million members, which consistently lies to the Norwegian state to get more funds? Or is it the people I told you about in this article?  \n\n\nWe were Jehovah's witnesses. 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At a regular meeting in the Kingdom Hall, it was solemnly announced that &quot;Brother X and Sister Y had been reprimanded by a juidicial committee.&quot; The whole hall was silent. We just knew it. Everyone understood what they had done. The next day, a relative of mine declared to the entire youth community in the congregation that these two had brought shame on all of us, and that we now had to sharpen up. The couple tried to retain themselves for a while, but apparently did not succeed. A while later my friend came and told me that he was going to be disfellowshipped at the next meeting. He did not get more chances. We had one last night together, sat and chatted. It was a nice evening, a kind of funeral. The next day he was gone. It was announced that he was no longer a Jehovah&#39;s Witness. He was disfellowshipped. We often saw him straying around, once in a while I could dare to give him a small, imperceptible nod. A look that said I saw him. 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Year after year, I was caught in the tension between a desire to be a good witness who lived by and mastered the strict social codes, and my own doubts. I had feelings, thoughts, and questions that made me unworthy of Jehovah. After long struggles, I finally had to admit that my faith was completely gone. The bubble around me burst, and I was left naked and alone in a vacuum where everything was suddenly strange, cold and scary.</p>\n\n<p>Where could I go? How do you start at zero again, when everyone you know, the whole close family and everyone you have built relationships with throughout life will cut all ties to you if you appear as an unbeliever? I ended up in a long process of heavy therapy. Intensive group unit, they called it. Emergency relief, I call it. Lifesaving.</p>\n\n<p>In order not to lose everything, I created alternative identities online. I lived an anonymous life and made new contacts. 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I had no contact with the congregation, but by gently fading away without raising my voice openly, it allowed the family to stay in touch. They could visit the children once in a while, watch them grow up. But it gnawed.</p>\n\n<p>Three years after I last had contact with the congregation, I checked with the public registers and received confirmation that JW was still applying for state funds in my name. And I had no way to stop it without taking the hit at the same time. They have created a hostage situation for their members on which they in turn make money. Each year. Until now.</p>\n\n<p>At the same time, JW&#39;s leaders declare to the County Governor that they do not engage in exclusion, that everyone is free to resign without punishment. 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The fact that he was subjected to a religious trial in which he had little access made him upset.\n\nHe has previously emerged as one of the active contributors to the documents published by Faithleaks.\n\n**Make an assessment**\n\nThe leaks in question number more than 23,000 documents. Most of the material is back online already. But Jason Wynne and his collaborators make their own assessments of each individual document that is published.\n\n\"We do not upload all the convention videos again. There were some new convention videos that The Watchtower used when they attacked Faithleaks. We only upload the material we believe is important for the public to know about.\"\n\n\"Do you make other exceptions?\"\n\n\"People can send us documents. But we look at things before we publish. For example, we will not publish documents that deal with ongoing criminal literature investigations in abuse cases\", he says.\n\n**Mobile server**\n\nThe group behind [Avoidjw.org](https://Avoidjw.org) has also taken other measures to meet new copyright protection requirements.\n\n\" If you examine carefully, you will see that technically there is not a single leaked document on the website. Everything is just links. The documents are on another website, which we call [Jw2go.org](https://Jw2go.org).\"\n\n\"Why is it done like that?\"\n\n\"It is simply a mobile server. If legal steps are taken in the relevant country where the IP address is at any given time, all the files and the entire server can be easily moved in a very short time, \" Wynne explains.\n\nThe people behind the publication have not applied for financial support anywhere.\n\n\"We do not want money. We demand openness. 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Now the documents are back on a new website. A few weeks after Faithleaks&#39; defeat of the Watchtower, Jason Wynne and his friends have republished the controversial leaks of Jehovah&#39;s Witnesses.</p>\n\n<p><a href=\"https://preview.redd.it/u0sbd1fovoj51.png?width=800&amp;format=png&amp;auto=webp&amp;s=0404adc04bd38d7c80da1346999759f6b132a3a4\">https://preview.redd.it/u0sbd1fovoj51.png?width=800&amp;format=png&amp;auto=webp&amp;s=0404adc04bd38d7c80da1346999759f6b132a3a4</a></p>\n\n<p>GALWAY, IRELAND: The spokesperson for the <a href=\"https://Avoidjw.org\">Avoidjw.org</a> website is Jason Wynne. He considers himself a Jehovah&#39;s Witness, even though he was excluded from the organization. Now he is taking the risk by publishing the material that the Watchtower&#39;s lawyers have spent considerable resources on removing from the Internet.</p>\n\n<p>&quot;Someone has to do this. The secrecy in this faith community is not just an assault on us who have been thrown out. First and foremost, secrecy is a problem for those who are still involved, and who are not allowed to read the documents about how their own religious community is governed,&quot; he says</p>\n\n<p>Wynne was once expelled because he had had sex with his fiancé. He is now married, but his wife is not a baptized witness. As a result, family members and friends in the congregation were banned from contacting him. The fact that he was subjected to a religious trial in which he had little access made him upset.</p>\n\n<p>He has previously emerged as one of the active contributors to the documents published by Faithleaks.</p>\n\n<p><strong>Make an assessment</strong></p>\n\n<p>The leaks in question number more than 23,000 documents. Most of the material is back online already. But Jason Wynne and his collaborators make their own assessments of each individual document that is published.</p>\n\n<p>&quot;We do not upload all the convention videos again. There were some new convention videos that The Watchtower used when they attacked Faithleaks. We only upload the material we believe is important for the public to know about.&quot;</p>\n\n<p>&quot;Do you make other exceptions?&quot;</p>\n\n<p>&quot;People can send us documents. But we look at things before we publish. For example, we will not publish documents that deal with ongoing criminal literature investigations in abuse cases&quot;, he says.</p>\n\n<p><strong>Mobile server</strong></p>\n\n<p>The group behind <a href=\"https://Avoidjw.org\">Avoidjw.org</a> has also taken other measures to meet new copyright protection requirements.</p>\n\n<p>&quot; If you examine carefully, you will see that technically there is not a single leaked document on the website. Everything is just links. The documents are on another website, which we call <a href=\"https://Jw2go.org\">Jw2go.org</a>.&quot;</p>\n\n<p>&quot;Why is it done like that?&quot;</p>\n\n<p>&quot;It is simply a mobile server. 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Men who led the churches gave themselves more and more power until a group of bishops arose, who were now the leaders of the churches. In the 21st century, the Governing Body (GB), the supreme body of spiritual witnesses of Jehovah's Witnesses, has given itself more and more power, and today the eight men serve as a government of unlimited power. They have power over the teachings, the properties and the money, and no one can doubt any of what they write or do. This is a clear departure from the organization of the first Christian churches.\n\n**Sent a book to the council**\n\nThe power has been used by GB on many positive matters, but also to introduce many laws and regulations that are not based on the Bible. For the past 15 years, for example, there has been a campaign against higher education, and thousands of young people have been pressured not to take such an education. Thousands of other witnesses have been excluded on the basis of non-Bible laws. In recent years I have had to swallow many camels, but I have been loyal to GB\n.\nOver the past few years, however, the situation has deteriorated in the negative direction. That's why I wrote the book My Beloved Religion - And The Governing Body, which points to several serious mistakes that Dsr has made and makes. The book was sent to GB, and I wrote that if GB would begin to sort out the wrong conditions the book points out, it would not be published. This was rejected.\n\nA concrete example of the extreme attitude that GB has, we can see in connection with the way excluded and those who opt out are treated. Exclusion from the Christian Church finds support in the Bible in 1 Corinthians 5: 9-13; 6: 9-11. It is shown that you should not be excluded because you have committed one or more serious sins, but because you have been permeated with such sins. Only evil people must be excluded (5:13).\nHow should someone who is excluded be treated? Christians should not have intercourse (synanamignymia) with them or eat with them (1 Corinthians 5: 11-13). This shows that there should be some distance between Christians and one who was excluded from the congregation. About a person who was not obedient to Paul's words, 2 Thessalonians 3:14 says, \"Stop associating with him (synanamignymy), that he may be ashamed.\" Therefore, the word \"associate,\" as it is shown here, does not mean that one should not talk to or greet him, for verse 15 says: \"Yet consider him not as an enemy, but continue to admonish him as a brother.\"\n\n**Kindness and thoughtfulness**\n\nHowever, there are some people who treat Christians differently than those who did not obey Paul and those who were excluded. Who was it? These people are called \"seducers and antichrists\" (2 John 7). These were people who actively advocated the spread of false doctrine, denying \"Jesus Christ who came in the flesh.\" John says of such an active propagandist: \"Do not welcome him into your home or greet him.\"\nThe point of what has been said above is that Christians should not have contact with those who are excluded, but only \"seducers and antichrists\" should not be welcomed or welcomed into their homes.\nHow, then, should Christians look at a person who will opt out of the Christian congregation and will no longer be part of that congregation? Since Christians should show love for all people, they should also show kindness and consideration to such a person.\n\n**Extreme views**\n\nBut the governing council of Jehovah's Witnesses has a different attitude. In the Watchtower magazine for September 15, 1986, reference is made to a quote from Jehovah's Witnesses book Aid to Bible Understanding: “Those who deliberately leave the Christian congregation become part of the\" Antichrist. \" (1 John 2:18, 19) \"The magazine then goes on:\" One who willfully and formally withdraws from the congregation fits this description [of the seducer and antichrist of 2 John 7]. \"\nThis means that a person who votes by election, thereby being seen as someone who has left the congregation or a person who sends a letter to opt out, is put in the same group as seducers and anti-Christians. This is one of the extreme standpoints that we find among all the laws and regulations that the governing council has made in addition to the commandments and principles found in the Bible.\n\nThe conclusion is that according to the Bible, Christians should not socialize with the excluded, such as eating a meal with them. But there is no basis in the Bible to avoid talking to and greeting them. People who have withdrawn from the church should be treated in a loving way, as you treat all people. As we see, Jehovah's Witnesses' treatment of excluded and unsubscribed is not based on the Bible, but on the ruling of the Governing Body.\n\n**Clear conscience**\n\nNow I have been excluded on the basis of a Bible-based commandment made by GB. The reason is that I have written the aforementioned book, which shows that I disagree with and criticize GB. The three who made the decision treated me in a friendly way, but none of them had read the book. That means whether my criticism was right or wrong was not considered. But only the fact that I had publicly criticized GB was the basis for the exclusion.\nOf course, losing their friends is a negative thing. But for me it is no disaster. As an elder, I am trained to do something about things I see in the congregation that are contrary to the Bible. Now I have uncovered many things at the top of the organization that are contrary to the Bible. When I try to do something about this, I have a good conscience. And a good conscience can withstand all kinds of pressure. After publishing, I have received hundreds of emails - many from men who have recently renounced the assignment as elders, because for their conscience they can no longer represent GB, and from elders who are deeply concerned about the development of the organization. I will keep in touch with these.\n\n**My beloved religion**\n\nI have no desire to harm my beloved religion, but negative publicity obviously does. However, I look at the publication of the book as an emergency dish. I know that in the next twelve months, thousands of my brothers and sisters will be excluded on the basis of commandments made by GB. I just can't see another way. 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During this time, I personally have never experienced anything negative or hurtful. I have taught students in the Bible languages, and I have an in-depth knowledge of these texts. Therefore, I have no doubt that the only religious community that has a Bible-based teaching is JW. .</p>\n\n<p><strong>More and more power</strong></p>\n\n<p>50 years ago I was introducing a new organizational form with elders and ward servants, similar to the organizational form we find in the New Testament. For most of the 20th century, the organization functioned like the first Christian congregations.\nBut then the same thing happened in these congregations. Men who led the churches gave themselves more and more power until a group of bishops arose, who were now the leaders of the churches. In the 21st century, the Governing Body (GB), the supreme body of spiritual witnesses of Jehovah&#39;s Witnesses, has given itself more and more power, and today the eight men serve as a government of unlimited power. They have power over the teachings, the properties and the money, and no one can doubt any of what they write or do. This is a clear departure from the organization of the first Christian churches.</p>\n\n<p><strong>Sent a book to the council</strong></p>\n\n<p>The power has been used by GB on many positive matters, but also to introduce many laws and regulations that are not based on the Bible. For the past 15 years, for example, there has been a campaign against higher education, and thousands of young people have been pressured not to take such an education. Thousands of other witnesses have been excluded on the basis of non-Bible laws. In recent years I have had to swallow many camels, but I have been loyal to GB\n.\nOver the past few years, however, the situation has deteriorated in the negative direction. That&#39;s why I wrote the book My Beloved Religion - And The Governing Body, which points to several serious mistakes that Dsr has made and makes. The book was sent to GB, and I wrote that if GB would begin to sort out the wrong conditions the book points out, it would not be published. This was rejected.</p>\n\n<p>A concrete example of the extreme attitude that GB has, we can see in connection with the way excluded and those who opt out are treated. Exclusion from the Christian Church finds support in the Bible in 1 Corinthians 5: 9-13; 6: 9-11. It is shown that you should not be excluded because you have committed one or more serious sins, but because you have been permeated with such sins. Only evil people must be excluded (5:13).\nHow should someone who is excluded be treated? Christians should not have intercourse (synanamignymia) with them or eat with them (1 Corinthians 5: 11-13). This shows that there should be some distance between Christians and one who was excluded from the congregation. About a person who was not obedient to Paul&#39;s words, 2 Thessalonians 3:14 says, &quot;Stop associating with him (synanamignymy), that he may be ashamed.&quot; Therefore, the word &quot;associate,&quot; as it is shown here, does not mean that one should not talk to or greet him, for verse 15 says: &quot;Yet consider him not as an enemy, but continue to admonish him as a brother.&quot;</p>\n\n<p><strong>Kindness and thoughtfulness</strong></p>\n\n<p>However, there are some people who treat Christians differently than those who did not obey Paul and those who were excluded. Who was it? These people are called &quot;seducers and antichrists&quot; (2 John 7). These were people who actively advocated the spread of false doctrine, denying &quot;Jesus Christ who came in the flesh.&quot; John says of such an active propagandist: &quot;Do not welcome him into your home or greet him.&quot;\nThe point of what has been said above is that Christians should not have contact with those who are excluded, but only &quot;seducers and antichrists&quot; should not be welcomed or welcomed into their homes.\nHow, then, should Christians look at a person who will opt out of the Christian congregation and will no longer be part of that congregation? Since Christians should show love for all people, they should also show kindness and consideration to such a person.</p>\n\n<p><strong>Extreme views</strong></p>\n\n<p>But the governing council of Jehovah&#39;s Witnesses has a different attitude. In the Watchtower magazine for September 15, 1986, reference is made to a quote from Jehovah&#39;s Witnesses book Aid to Bible Understanding: “Those who deliberately leave the Christian congregation become part of the&quot; Antichrist. &quot; (1 John 2:18, 19) &quot;The magazine then goes on:&quot; One who willfully and formally withdraws from the congregation fits this description [of the seducer and antichrist of 2 John 7]. &quot;\nThis means that a person who votes by election, thereby being seen as someone who has left the congregation or a person who sends a letter to opt out, is put in the same group as seducers and anti-Christians. This is one of the extreme standpoints that we find among all the laws and regulations that the governing council has made in addition to the commandments and principles found in the Bible.</p>\n\n<p>The conclusion is that according to the Bible, Christians should not socialize with the excluded, such as eating a meal with them. But there is no basis in the Bible to avoid talking to and greeting them. People who have withdrawn from the church should be treated in a loving way, as you treat all people. As we see, Jehovah&#39;s Witnesses&#39; treatment of excluded and unsubscribed is not based on the Bible, but on the ruling of the Governing Body.</p>\n\n<p><strong>Clear conscience</strong></p>\n\n<p>Now I have been excluded on the basis of a Bible-based commandment made by GB. The reason is that I have written the aforementioned book, which shows that I disagree with and criticize GB. The three who made the decision treated me in a friendly way, but none of them had read the book. That means whether my criticism was right or wrong was not considered. But only the fact that I had publicly criticized GB was the basis for the exclusion.\nOf course, losing their friends is a negative thing. But for me it is no disaster. As an elder, I am trained to do something about things I see in the congregation that are contrary to the Bible. Now I have uncovered many things at the top of the organization that are contrary to the Bible. When I try to do something about this, I have a good conscience. And a good conscience can withstand all kinds of pressure. After publishing, I have received hundreds of emails - many from men who have recently renounced the assignment as elders, because for their conscience they can no longer represent GB, and from elders who are deeply concerned about the development of the organization. I will keep in touch with these.</p>\n\n<p><strong>My beloved religion</strong></p>\n\n<p>I have no desire to harm my beloved religion, but negative publicity obviously does. However, I look at the publication of the book as an emergency dish. I know that in the next twelve months, thousands of my brothers and sisters will be excluded on the basis of commandments made by GB. I just can&#39;t see another way. And when GB bluntly refused to do anything about it, my only opportunity was to publish the book.</p>\n</div><!-- SC_ON -->","likes":null,"suggested_sort":null,"banned_at_utc":null,"view_count":null,"archived":false,"no_follow":false,"is_crosspostable":false,"pinned":false,"over_18":false,"preview":{"images":[{"source":{"url":"https://external-preview.redd.it/YnGA8ihY1_K4zcSUruXbdKSEWgrU-jW0ee2WhpJd_JQ.jpg?auto=webp&s=56ad91064e532138829325b6d483de0294021033","width":527,"height":276},"resolutions":[{"url":"https://external-preview.redd.it/YnGA8ihY1_K4zcSUruXbdKSEWgrU-jW0ee2WhpJd_JQ.jpg?width=108&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=b6b55d2641af4407807a5f0fb8038cdb7050bc3b","width":108,"height":56},{"url":"https://external-preview.redd.it/YnGA8ihY1_K4zcSUruXbdKSEWgrU-jW0ee2WhpJd_JQ.jpg?width=216&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=c89b13e49617374569c340cef40056f63bba3df5","width":216,"height":113},{"url":"https://external-preview.redd.it/YnGA8ihY1_K4zcSUruXbdKSEWgrU-jW0ee2WhpJd_JQ.jpg?width=320&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=feff61acdd037debcdfa553028bd087fb505a245","width":320,"height":167}],"variants":{},"id":"OpAAoPRBS5SfXE4jaFcn0RsqSE8124ol-T8TA4OEDFU"}],"enabled":false},"all_awardings":[],"awarders":[],"media_only":false,"can_gild":false,"spoiler":false,"locked":false,"author_flair_text":"<-----King of the North!","treatment_tags":[],"visited":false,"removed_by":null,"num_reports":null,"distinguished":null,"subreddit_id":"t5_2qp5l","author_is_blocked":false,"mod_reason_by":null,"removal_reason":null,"link_flair_background_color":"","id":"hfrzc3","is_robot_indexable":true,"report_reasons":null,"author":"FrodeKommode","discussion_type":null,"num_comments":73,"send_replies":true,"contest_mode":false,"mod_reports":[],"author_patreon_flair":false,"author_flair_text_color":"dark","permalink":"/r/exjw/comments/hfrzc3/rolf_furuli_publishes_a_written_statement_to/","stickied":false,"url":"https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/hfrzc3/rolf_furuli_publishes_a_written_statement_to/","subreddit_subscribers":119984,"created_utc":1593111855.0,"num_crossposts":0,"media":null,"is_video":false}
{"approved_at_utc":null,"subreddit":"exjw","selftext":"[https://www.vl.no/religion/tror-pa-utstotelse-etter-ledelseskritikk-1.1728051?paywall=true](https://www.vl.no/religion/tror-pa-utstotelse-etter-ledelseskritikk-1.1728051?paywall=true)(Please click link after reading so they get to count the click even though it is paywall)\n\nGoogle Translate:\n\n**Expecting disfellowshipping after critisism against leadership**\n\n\"I think the leadership is confused about how to deal with Rolf Furuli's criticism of the Governing Council internally\", says Hege Kristin Ringnes, who recently completed a doctorate on Jehovah's Witnesses at the MF Scientific College of Theology, Religion and Society.\n\nShe has read parts of the book ***My Beloved Religion - and the Governing Body***, where long-time member of Jehovah's Witnesses Rolf Furuli goes hard on the religious leadership in New York, also called the Governing Body. Furuli believes the council has given itself a dictatorial position of power for which there is no biblical basis. In the book, he also claims that the leadership has made decisions that are not based on the Bible and that he believes have harmed thousands of Jehovah's Witnesses.\n\nThat Jehovah's Witnesses are discouraged from attending higher education considers Furuli to be unbiblical and is part of the doctrine he believes should be changed. At the same time, he is clear that he is for Jehovah's Witnesses and shares their belief that they are the only true Christian group today, and he recommends others to become witnesses.\n\n**May be disfellowshipped**\n\nIn Jehovah's Witnesses, a member may be disfellowshipped if he abandons the teachings of the Witnesses, or if they repeatedly violate God's commandments without repenting. This is likely to be the outcome of Furuli's case, says Ringnes, who points out that Furuli himself is aware of this in the book. The same is pointed out by a former elder brother in an anonymous reader's post in Thursday's Vårt Land. He has also read Furuli's book - \"a book that he (Furuli, journ. Note) knows very well could cause him to be ejected himself for apostasy and then divide in the congregation,\" the post states.\n\n\"Because it is probably these two points that the elders must try to address him, when they finally summon him to meet. Although technically, as I read the book, he did not necessarily write or do anything directly in contravention of the rules of the governing council, the former elder writes.\"\n\n**Serious criticism**\n\nAt the same time, Hege Kristin Ringnes believes that Furuli has put the management in a real predicament when he goes public in this way.\n\n\"Jehovah's Witnesses call the organization theocratic, that is, they believe it is ruled by God. The governing body is the supreme part of the God-governed organization. That's why it's very serious when he criticizes them. At the same time, Furuli is an intellectual capacity for the organization, and has among other things written a doctorate. Moreover, he does not go against Jehovah's Witnesses altogether. Therefore, I think this matter will be discussed at a higher level than in his local congregation. Usually, exclusion is carried out by the local elders council\", she says.\n\nIf exclusion becomes a reality, Furuli risks losing touch with all his friends in Jehovah's Witnesses, Ringnes points out.\n\nJehovah's Witnesses' Web site [jw.org](https://jw.org) states that the witnesses must stay away from the excluded person. That is what they clearly say in the Bible: \"Remove the wicked man from their midst,\" they quote from 1 Corinthians 5, 11-13 in their New World Translation.\n\n\"Furuli says in the book that Jehovah's Witnesses are his beloved religion, and that he only believes in the Bible, not humans. Therefore, he is willing to sacrifice everything to present the truth in the Bible - including his social network. But this practice is also part of what he criticizes in the book. He is critical of parts of the exclusionary rules that are practiced today. He believes that management has created human messages that make people excluded and suffer unnecessarily\", says Ringnes.\n\n*Jehova's witnesses*\n\n*• Jehovah's Witnesses are a Christian faith community. They learn that the Bible is written by God (Jehovah) with the help of writers who were under God's direction. Therefore, the Bible is understood as God's infallible and reliable word and the only necessary guide in all matters of life.*\n\n*• Jehovah's Witnesses were established in the United States in the 1870s, the first time as a Bible study group. Eventually it developed into a religious community led by Charles Taze Russell (1852-1916).*\n\n*• According to separate statistics, Jehovah's Witnesses were active in 240 countries in 2019 and had 8,579,909 members (active preachers) distributed across 119,954 congregations. 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Furuli believes the council has given itself a dictatorial position of power for which there is no biblical basis. In the book, he also claims that the leadership has made decisions that are not based on the Bible and that he believes have harmed thousands of Jehovah&#39;s Witnesses.</p>\n\n<p>That Jehovah&#39;s Witnesses are discouraged from attending higher education considers Furuli to be unbiblical and is part of the doctrine he believes should be changed. At the same time, he is clear that he is for Jehovah&#39;s Witnesses and shares their belief that they are the only true Christian group today, and he recommends others to become witnesses.</p>\n\n<p><strong>May be disfellowshipped</strong></p>\n\n<p>In Jehovah&#39;s Witnesses, a member may be disfellowshipped if he abandons the teachings of the Witnesses, or if they repeatedly violate God&#39;s commandments without repenting. This is likely to be the outcome of Furuli&#39;s case, says Ringnes, who points out that Furuli himself is aware of this in the book. The same is pointed out by a former elder brother in an anonymous reader&#39;s post in Thursday&#39;s Vårt Land. He has also read Furuli&#39;s book - &quot;a book that he (Furuli, journ. Note) knows very well could cause him to be ejected himself for apostasy and then divide in the congregation,&quot; the post states.</p>\n\n<p>&quot;Because it is probably these two points that the elders must try to address him, when they finally summon him to meet. Although technically, as I read the book, he did not necessarily write or do anything directly in contravention of the rules of the governing council, the former elder writes.&quot;</p>\n\n<p><strong>Serious criticism</strong></p>\n\n<p>At the same time, Hege Kristin Ringnes believes that Furuli has put the management in a real predicament when he goes public in this way.</p>\n\n<p>&quot;Jehovah&#39;s Witnesses call the organization theocratic, that is, they believe it is ruled by God. The governing body is the supreme part of the God-governed organization. That&#39;s why it&#39;s very serious when he criticizes them. At the same time, Furuli is an intellectual capacity for the organization, and has among other things written a doctorate. Moreover, he does not go against Jehovah&#39;s Witnesses altogether. Therefore, I think this matter will be discussed at a higher level than in his local congregation. Usually, exclusion is carried out by the local elders council&quot;, she says.</p>\n\n<p>If exclusion becomes a reality, Furuli risks losing touch with all his friends in Jehovah&#39;s Witnesses, Ringnes points out.</p>\n\n<p>Jehovah&#39;s Witnesses&#39; Web site <a href=\"https://jw.org\">jw.org</a> states that the witnesses must stay away from the excluded person. That is what they clearly say in the Bible: &quot;Remove the wicked man from their midst,&quot; they quote from 1 Corinthians 5, 11-13 in their New World Translation.</p>\n\n<p>&quot;Furuli says in the book that Jehovah&#39;s Witnesses are his beloved religion, and that he only believes in the Bible, not humans. Therefore, he is willing to sacrifice everything to present the truth in the Bible - including his social network. But this practice is also part of what he criticizes in the book. He is critical of parts of the exclusionary rules that are practiced today. He believes that management has created human messages that make people excluded and suffer unnecessarily&quot;, says Ringnes.</p>\n\n<p><em>Jehova&#39;s witnesses</em></p>\n\n<p><em>• Jehovah&#39;s Witnesses are a Christian faith community. They learn that the Bible is written by God (Jehovah) with the help of writers who were under God&#39;s direction. Therefore, the Bible is understood as God&#39;s infallible and reliable word and the only necessary guide in all matters of life.</em></p>\n\n<p><em>• Jehovah&#39;s Witnesses were established in the United States in the 1870s, the first time as a Bible study group. Eventually it developed into a religious community led by Charles Taze Russell (1852-1916).</em></p>\n\n<p><em>• According to separate statistics, Jehovah&#39;s Witnesses were active in 240 countries in 2019 and had 8,579,909 members (active preachers) distributed across 119,954 congregations. Children and others who are not active preachers also come.</em></p>\n\n<p>&#x200B;</p>\n</div><!-- SC_ON -->","likes":null,"suggested_sort":null,"banned_at_utc":null,"view_count":null,"archived":false,"no_follow":false,"is_crosspostable":false,"pinned":false,"over_18":false,"preview":{"images":[{"source":{"url":"https://external-preview.redd.it/rGiuivm10ztX--SEEL_2mRcG5Kfwpmwv6OLWZRnsXWw.jpg?auto=webp&s=4fa9ecdb024023b2feda90e72f7fc5440a5e2d2b","width":1200,"height":630},"resolutions":[{"url":"https://external-preview.redd.it/rGiuivm10ztX--SEEL_2mRcG5Kfwpmwv6OLWZRnsXWw.jpg?width=108&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=bef7463176f502d1ad95e5378c74bdaebeb514a7","width":108,"height":56},{"url":"https://external-preview.redd.it/rGiuivm10ztX--SEEL_2mRcG5Kfwpmwv6OLWZRnsXWw.jpg?width=216&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=4981ed95264ee0884c25152de57dbd008f646c40","width":216,"height":113},{"url":"https://external-preview.redd.it/rGiuivm10ztX--SEEL_2mRcG5Kfwpmwv6OLWZRnsXWw.jpg?width=320&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=d0ac3329bf877b202365ab21ee53422c11b4d70b","width":320,"height":168},{"url":"https://external-preview.redd.it/rGiuivm10ztX--SEEL_2mRcG5Kfwpmwv6OLWZRnsXWw.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=6d0c36fc3223c90b11d9901c2714d54216741578","width":640,"height":336},{"url":"https://external-preview.redd.it/rGiuivm10ztX--SEEL_2mRcG5Kfwpmwv6OLWZRnsXWw.jpg?width=960&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=78b2092427ad470c569b8c61334d4cae32471994","width":960,"height":504},{"url":"https://external-preview.redd.it/rGiuivm10ztX--SEEL_2mRcG5Kfwpmwv6OLWZRnsXWw.jpg?width=1080&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=d6f8387a743f632138c7f29999cb8b66a09be47d","width":1080,"height":567}],"variants":{},"id":"CNVAv7pnSH2OIsHyJfLhMUEUYkfh_2INhZV1FOcU4ZQ"}],"enabled":false},"all_awardings":[],"awarders":[],"media_only":false,"link_flair_template_id":"ab1fff82-6405-11e8-86f3-0e5f20cd29ce","can_gild":false,"spoiler":false,"locked":false,"author_flair_text":"<-----King of the North!","treatment_tags":[],"visited":false,"removed_by":null,"num_reports":null,"distinguished":null,"subreddit_id":"t5_2qp5l","author_is_blocked":false,"mod_reason_by":null,"removal_reason":null,"link_flair_background_color":"#bbbdbf","id":"h7fspt","is_robot_indexable":true,"report_reasons":null,"author":"FrodeKommode","discussion_type":null,"num_comments":18,"send_replies":true,"contest_mode":false,"mod_reports":[],"author_patreon_flair":false,"author_flair_text_color":"dark","permalink":"/r/exjw/comments/h7fspt/another_followup_article_on_rolf_furuli_in/","stickied":false,"url":"https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/h7fspt/another_followup_article_on_rolf_furuli_in/","subreddit_subscribers":119984,"created_utc":1591944932.0,"num_crossposts":0,"media":null,"is_video":false}
{"approved_at_utc":null,"subreddit":"exjw","selftext":"https://www.vl.no/religion/tar-internt-oppgjor-med-toppledelsen-1.1727750?paywall=true\n\nGoogle Translate:.\n\n**Internal disbute with top leaders** \n\nLongtime member of Jehovah's Witnesses Rolf Furuli, in a new book, takes a startling disagreement with the organization's governing body in New York. \n\n\"They have given themselves a dictatorial power position that has no basis in the Bible.\" \n\nFor nearly 60 years, Rolf Furuli has been a part of Jehovah's Witnesses. He believes that leadership has made decisions that are not based on the Bible and that have hurt thousands of Jehovah's Witnesses. \n\nGenerally, criticisms of Jehovah's Witnesses are promoted by defectors or outside communities. This time, criticism comes from one of their own. In his recent book My Beloved Religion - and the Governing Body, longtime member of Jehovah's Witnesses, Rolf Furuli, goes hard against the top leadership of the organization.\n\n\"My book discusses the leadership of Jehovah's Witnesses who have given themselves a dictatorial power position that is not based on the Bible. In addition, the book shows that this leadership has made decisions that have no basis in the Bible and that have harmed thousands of Jehovah's Witnesses\", he writes in an email to Vårt Land.\n\nFor nearly 60 years, Furuli has been a part of Jehovah's Witnesses, where he has held a number of positions, including as an elder, a traveling overseer, and as the Witnesses' hospital contact choice in Oslo. By profession, he is a former university lecturer in Semitic Linguistics at the University of Oslo.\n\nHowever, he does not want to be interviewed for the book, as he does not want to give the impression that he is against Jehovah's Witnesses and their faith in the Bible.\n\n\" I am for Jehovah's Witnesses, share their faith, and recommend others to become witnesses\" , he writes in a brief comment on Vårt Land.\n\n**Contains explosives**\n\nHowever, another former elder in the faith community has much to say about the book in an anonymous reader's post in Vårt Land. Because Furuli is a well-regarded elder brother in Jehovah's Witnesses, he will \"certainly create some trembling internally\" with his criticism, the post states. The explosive in the book lies in these conclusions, the former elder believes:\n\n\"Jehovah's Witnesses' leadership in New York, \"The Governing Body,\" is not in the hands of God! They have misinterpreted Jesus' words of \"the faithful and wise servant\" in Matthew 24:45 (which they apply to themselves), and furthermore, they have done great harm to many members of the faith community by introducing \"human commandments\" and unjustly expelled members who have not obeyed these commandments obediently\", he summarizes in the reader post.\n\n**\"Autocratic organization\"**\n\nThe Governing Body constitutes Jehovah's Witnesses' international leadership, and today consists of eight men at the Warwick headquarters in New York. They are responsible for providing Bible guidance to Jehovah's Witnesses throughout the world, overseeing the public preaching work of the Witnesses, and managing the use of funds provided, the Witnesses website states.\n\nFurther down the hierarchy, among other things, are the elders. They each lead their own congregations, supervise them, and lead the teaching. The organization came into being after a major restructuring in the 1970s. Since then, there has been an unfortunate development, Furuli believes:\n\n\"The basic problem is that in 1972, when the Elder Scheme was implemented, the organization was theocratic, but over the 48 years the organization has gradually been transformed into an autocratic organization, where the decisions and words of the Governing Council cannot be called into question.\"\n\n**\"Militant side\"**\n\nIn the book, he describes today's organization as \"more hierarchical and more dictatorial than the Catholic Church\", and believes that \"again there is a need for a major structural, organizational change, including the removal of the militant side of the organization.\"\n\nThis includes what he refers to as the management's \"crusade\" towards higher education. He also includes some of the practice of excluding members. While Furuli believes the Bible mentions eleven reasons for excluding someone from the congregation, 39 actions are listed in the so-called Elder Book \"Be Shepherds for God's Shepherd.\"\n\nIn the book, Furuli points out that during all his years as a witness he has tried to be loyal to the organization and the governing body. Through letters he has tried to reach the top management with criticism, but without response. Publishing a book has been a long way in:\n\n\"Although the Governing Body has a hold on me, it is my conscience that has led me to write this book, and I leave it to Jehovah.\"\n\n\"We find it sad to hear that the author of this book, one who has been a Jehovah's Witness for a long time, has apparently lost confidence in the governing council of Jehovah's Witnesses,\" said Dag-Erik Kristoffersen, spokesman for Jehovah's Witnesses.\n\n**Have not tried to control the faith**\n\nVårt Land has asked Jehovah's Witnesses in Norway about the criticism that is being made in Furuli's book, and what consequences it may have for him.\n\nWitnesses spokesman Dag-Erik Kristoffersen writes in an email to Vårt Land:\n\n\" We find it sad to hear that the author of this book, one who has been a Jehovah's Witness for a long time, has apparently lost confidence in the governing body of Jehovah's Witnesses. We cannot comment on a book we have not read, but we are happy to clarify the role of the governing body, he writes, elaborating:\n\n\"First and foremost: Jehovah's Witnesses voluntarily submit themselves to their Creator, Jehovah God, and Jesus Christ in all aspects of their lives. They view the governing body as a group of well-qualified, experienced elders who provide advice and guidance in our worship. In line with the biblical pattern, the governing body has never claimed to be infallible or tried to control the faith of their fellow believers. 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